Joe Rogan is doing Carnivore Diet and said he has bad Diarrhea from it but will continue on

[TidWell]

Besides Mark Bell, I don't think I've seen many that start the carnivore diet that don't mention the downfalls as well as how it is not sustainable. I really think it's a stupid diet. I love to eat meat, but I can't imagine only eating meat. They try to act like it sounds awesome, but it really sounds miserable to me.

Some of them are even going as far to eat Red meat and chicken raw.

Id get tired of it and lose my hunger for meat real quick. Steak only taste good if I have a side of white rice to combine with it, or some potatoes or some sides of veggies. eating ground beef with no sides is strange. Imagine eating a pot roast with no potatoes, carrots, peas or whatever else you like to add?

 

[monkeyrhythm]

This Is Your Body On Red Meat
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/body-on-red-meat-104500016.html

It's a complex issue and none of the studies referenced in that article are by any means conclusive. To reiterate I'm not speaking in support of the carnivore diet; however, I am of the opinion that a month of a diet based on refined carbohydrates would be much more deleterious to health than one based solely on meat and eggs (for example).

 

[TidWell]

It's a complex issue and none of the studies referenced in that article are by any means conclusive. To reiterate I'm not speaking in support of the carnivore diet; however, I am of the opinion that a month of a diet based on refined carbohydrates would be much more deleterious to health than one based solely on meat and eggs (for example).

Bro, you are deflecting we aint talking about carbs and sugars lol

 

[monkeyrhythm]

Bro, you are deflecting we aint talking about carbs and sugars lol

Ha, fair.
I stand by my point though, the studies referenced in that article are certainly not slam dunks.

 

[blaseblah]

It's a complex issue and none of the studies referenced in that article are by any means conclusive. To reiterate I'm not speaking in support of the carnivore diet; however, I am of the opinion that a month of a diet based on refined carbohydrates would be much more deleterious to health than one based solely on meat and eggs (for example).

I don't know about that. I'd rather go on a diet of rice and pasta than only meat. For sure I'd rather go on a diet of carbs than one of meat.

 

[monkeyrhythm]

I don't know about that. I'd rather go on a diet of rice and pasta than only meat. For sure I'd rather go on a diet of carbs than one of meat.

I probably should have said 'highly' refined; I was thinking of white bread, sugar, HFCS, breakfast cereal etc. Rice and durum wheat pasta are likely fine for most people.

As I say, I'm not advocating for the carnivore diet; however, I do believe that it could potentially help some people with autoimmune conditions.

 

[Fawlty]

Would somebody tell Joseph to eat his vegetables ffs

 

[Drain Bamage]

Some of them are even going as far to eat Red meat and chicken raw.

Id get tired of it and lose my hunger for meat real quick. Steak only taste good if I have a side of white rice to combine with it, or some potatoes or some sides of veggies. eating ground beef with no sides is strange. Imagine eating a pot roast with no potatoes, carrots, peas or whatever else you like to add?

Roast potatoes and rice are delicious but thats bad calories man

 

[wufabufa]

That's how I found out I needed to remove all grains from my diet. Phytic acid and gluten make me feel like shit and sap my energy. Huge lifestyle change for a guy who owned a sandwich shop and had the nickname "sammich" for over a decade.

I stripped away tons of stuff from my diet too. After being diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis I had to make a change and figure out what was causing me to flair up. After much elimination and experimentation, I probably get 80% of my nutrition from animal products since they're more easily assimilated. My recent blood work shows my lipids, inflammatory markers, and liver/kidney function are all spot on and I haven't had a flair in over 3 years since getting rid of plant foods that have tons of oxalic acid, phytates, lectins, goitrogens, and aflatoxins. I also watch the amount of fruit I eat depending on what season it is. Less fruit in the winter, more in the summer/fall since that's how my ancestors had to live for thousands of generations. I noticed it makes a big difference in my body composition and insulin sensitivity.

I've also done the whole 23andMe thing and I'm carrier of certain genes that make it difficult for me to convert certain B vitamins into their bioavailable forms. Grassfed beef liver and mussels already contain the preformed versions of those vitamins so I don't see any point in stuffing myself full of kale and spinach to meet my folate needs for the day where I might methylate only 20% of that folic acid into folate. Eating few oysters or mussels is far superior in terms of nutrient density and digestibility in my particular case. I have nothing against vegetables, I just find them to be less than optimal for my own health. I kind of treat them like medicine now. Some are good depending on your needs, but I haven't seen a huge benefit in consuming them every single day.

 

[blaseblah]

I probably should have said 'highly' refined; I was thinking of white bread, sugar, HFCS, breakfast cereal etc. Rice and durum wheat pasta are likely fine for most people.

As I say, I'm not advocating for the carnivore diet; however, I do believe that it could potentially help some people with autoimmune conditions.

So Junk food? That's not saying much.

 

[monkeyrhythm]

So Junk food? That's not saying much.

No, you're right it's not. The carb comments seemed more appropriate when I typed them.

I stand by the other points I made though.

 

[TSO]

I stripped away tons of stuff from my diet too. After being diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis I had to make a change and figure out what was causing me to flair up. After much elimination and experimentation, I probably get 80% of my nutrition from animal products since they're more easily assimilated. My recent blood work shows my lipids, inflammatory markers, and liver/kidney function are all spot on and I haven't had a flair in over 3 years since getting rid of plant foods that have tons of oxalic acid, phytates, lectins, goitrogens, and aflatoxins. I also watch the amount of fruit I eat depending on what season it is. Less fruit in the winter, more in the summer/fall since that's how my ancestors had to live for thousands of generations. I noticed it makes a big difference in my body composition and insulin sensitivity.

I've also done the whole 23andMe thing and I'm carrier of certain genes that make it difficult for me to convert certain B vitamins into their bioavailable forms. Grassfed beef liver and mussels already contain the preformed versions of those vitamins so I don't see any point in stuffing myself full of kale and spinach to meet my folate needs for the day where I might methylate only 20% of that folic acid into folate. Eating few oysters or mussels is far superior in terms of nutrient density and digestibility in my particular case. I have nothing against vegetables, I just find them to be less than optimal for my own health. I kind of treat them like medicine now. Some are good depending on your needs, but I haven't seen a huge benefit in consuming them every single day.

Good job. I forgot that I also had to remove things like legumes along with the grains. I thought it would be hard to switch but with how good I feel and how much weight I've lost there's no going back.

 

[Bangkok ready d1]

Dude for real why are people doing this insane diets? Just eat healthy thats not difficult, eat rice meat veggies some fruits and you're good for the day

 

[TidWell]

Roast potatoes and rice are delicious but thats bad calories man

Bro why? its so good with steak though. Rice has niacin. So do you eat veggies with your steak or just plain and carnivore style of the grill?

 

[TidWell]

Dude for real why are people doing this insane diets? Just eat healthy thats not difficult, eat rice meat veggies some fruits and you're good for the day

Because people are followers, its like consumerism, I aint gonna lie when I was a teen I would read those muscle mags and buy up all those muscle building supplements too

 

[-Magua-]

I stripped away tons of stuff from my diet too. After being diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis I had to make a change and figure out what was causing me to flair up. After much elimination and experimentation, I probably get 80% of my nutrition from animal products since they're more easily assimilated. My recent blood work shows my lipids, inflammatory markers, and liver/kidney function are all spot on and I haven't had a flair in over 3 years since getting rid of plant foods that have tons of oxalic acid, phytates, lectins, goitrogens, and aflatoxins. I also watch the amount of fruit I eat depending on what season it is. Less fruit in the winter, more in the summer/fall since that's how my ancestors had to live for thousands of generations. I noticed it makes a big difference in my body composition and insulin sensitivity.

I've also done the whole 23andMe thing and I'm carrier of certain genes that make it difficult for me to convert certain B vitamins into their bioavailable forms. Grassfed beef liver and mussels already contain the preformed versions of those vitamins so I don't see any point in stuffing myself full of kale and spinach to meet my folate needs for the day where I might methylate only 20% of that folic acid into folate. Eating few oysters or mussels is far superior in terms of nutrient density and digestibility in my particular case. I have nothing against vegetables, I just find them to be less than optimal for my own health. I kind of treat them like medicine now. Some are good depending on your needs, but I haven't seen a huge benefit in consuming them every single day.

Nice post. That’s pretty cool and informative.

 

[Goonerview]

One chick who does the Carnivore diet said she only takes a dump every 3 days and its usually diarrhea.

Pics of diarrhoea?

 

[Po]

Digestive changes are likely from changing diversity of your gut microbiome as well as the big increase in fat in order ot meet caloric needs. 100 - 150 grams of fat will take you a decent amount of time to adjust to if you aren't used to it. Aromatic heterocyclic amines don't even have to be on meat as long as you don't you don't char it so I don't buy the "carcinogen" thing you're talking about. Those same carcinogens end up on cooked/grilled/roasted vegetables too. If you're counting heme iron as a carcinogen as well then you're equally off base. It's only been shown possible in rat models when they are intentionally fed a diet completely devoid of calcium. Once calcium was added back into the diet then it was impossible to replicate the results.

People get plenty of constipation and diarrhea on vegan diets too. Diet is highly individual. Anyone, no matter who you are, will have to make physically adjustments when they radically change their way of eating from one extreme to the other. Carnivore works for a lot of people. Vegan works for a lot of people. Most of us are somewhere in the middle. And since there's evidence out there that supports every single diet out there, it's up to the individual to find the right balance based on their own physiology. Just because some people have liquid poops for a while doesn't mean everyone will.

I'm not sure those same carcinogens get on roasted or cooked vegetables. Charred? OK. Anything charred is probably carcinogenic.

From what I understand the carcinogens form from grilling meat when fat from the meat drips down and gets burned then gets reabsorbed back into the meat. Hard to do that with vegetables?

https://www.curetoday.com/publications/cure/2014/summer2014/Avoid-Carcinogens-Not-the-Grill-This-

 

[faustian]

I love meat but the idea of a meat-only diet kinda makes me nauseous. Maybe I could force myself to do it for like 30 days if there was some legitimate reason to, but people doing it indefinitely seems insane to me

 

[Jkillah]

Unless you have some kind of allergy, I can't think of a single reason why you would want to cut out veggies for health reasons.