Jemele Hill suspended by ESPN





If you haven't seen the tweets here they are. This woman works for a media company and she called for a boycott of his advertisers. I don't think it gets much dumber than that.
 
Is her plan to get her own radio show or a job on the 24/7 news channels?
 
ripskater said:
I'm really tired of the NFL, NBA and ESPN with all the sjw, feminist, lgbtq agenda pushing. It makes me not want to watch
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I'm sure they're tired of KKK/Nazis like you too.
 
I knew @Peteyandjia wouldn't turn out to be on the free speech side. This just makes my point. As I said, if you only support free speech for people who agree with you, you don't support it at all.
 
No, his exact quote was
"Good...
Frankly she should have been terminated for her comments about Trump being a white supremacist."
Unless youre referring to a diff quote. Again, if theres some definitive evidence of him being that, I'd like to see it.
Jack V Savage said:
His premise is that she should be fired specifically for calling out Trump's racism. My point is that he does not apply that standard universally, which leaves free speech to be something enjoyed only by people who agree with @LogicalInsanity and the president--that is, that we shouldn't have free speech.



Sure, but what kind of consequences are we talking about? I've previously agreed with others (@Peteyandjia) that workers should be able to express political views without being fired. People who were on my side on that issue (when we were discussing Damore) aren't on this one--meaning that it's not actually a matter of worker rights and free speech as much as just "right wingers should be able to say what they want and people who are not right-wingers shouldn't," which is an unfortunately common position here and in the country. The battle to keep free speech is only being fought in good faith by the left.
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sorry man, that ship has sailed.
You guys facilitated the whole, "yeah, but, consequences......" argument. It's time to deal with what youve created.
 
Jack V Savage said:
I knew @Peteyandjia wouldn't turn out to be on the free speech side. This just makes my point. As I said, if you only support free speech for people who agree with you, you don't support it at all.
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I believe in free speech.

I'm only laughing at your claim that the left is the "only" side championing it "in good faith".

I mean... could you be any more robotically partisan.
 
Peteyandjia said:
I believe in free speech.

I'm only laughing at your claim that the left is the "only" side championing it "in good faith".

I mean... could you be any more robotically partisan.
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The guy who supports free speech for everyone is robotically partisan, while the numerous posters who only support speech rights for Republicans are not. Interesting.
 
west42 said:
No, his exact quote was
"Good...
Frankly she should have been terminated for her comments about Trump being a white supremacist."
Unless youre referring to a diff quote..
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??? That's what I said he said.

west42 said:
Again, if theres some definitive evidence of him being that, I'd like to see it.
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You have seen it. Been posted many times. You refuse to accept it. OK. But the issue here is that LI wanted her fired for expressing her view.

west42 said:
sorry man, that ship has sailed.
You guys facilitated the whole, "yeah, but, consequences......" argument. It's time to deal with what youve created.
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@Peteyandjia, see? Bad faith here. When it's a right-winger who needs the aid of free speech supporters, liberals rally behind him, thinking that we're all in this together. When it's a left-winger who does, the right throws out bullshit like this.
 
Why has The Left become so self-destructive?
 
Jack V Savage said:
The guy who supports free speech for everyone is robotically partisan, while the numerous posters who only support speech rights for Republicans are not. Interesting.
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"Numerous posters"? You were erroneously talking about me, and that's what I was responding to.
 
TheComebackKid said:
You can rationalize things all you want but the owners of ESPN, as well as the owners in the NFL, recognize that all this sjw nonsense is hurting their businesses and they are responding.
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My statement is based on the factors that equate to the result. So if you'd like to use the definition of "rationalize" properly, than yes I am, looking at logical premises that lead to the conclusion. Your stance is just the usual shite rhetoric that means nothing.

2010-2017 saw the rise of the rise of social-media highlight clip, coupled with the rise in cable prices. People can watch their clips on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and so forth.
 
Jack V Savage said:
It's really not, though. After the election, the winner is supposed to make a point of showing that he's the president of the whole country and, while clearly fighting for policy goals that lines up along party lines, is supposed to be somewhat above politics. As recently as a year ago (the before time), I think there would be a pretty strong consensus that this kind of the thing is at least unseemly. Just another standard that has fallen, as former conservatives abandon all principles to continue to stand behind the GOP and its embarrassing leader.
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That sounds like a great ideal. But how does it track with the non-stop assertion that Republican candidates and Presidents are Hitler? I'll be over here clinging to God and guns while you formulate your answer.
 
Fedorable said:
she's basically just eye candy anyway.

iu
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How can somebody so fine be such a downer?
 
Jack V Savage said:
That's only because you lack the power to shut down discussion here, isn't it? You came in with "shut up" because you didn't like me noticing what @LogicalInsanity was up to. Generally speaking, right-wingers here try to make their case with social pressure (you're a doody-head if you don't agree with them) rather than rational argumentation.



Your posts are still up. You completely abandon your principles when your party changes. You have no center. You'll never see me inject tribalism into any post, though I'll certainly call it out when I see it, as that's one of the biggest issues here. If one wants to understand the underlying reason that you guys seem so dumb, it's that you aren't using reason to reach conclusions.
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@LogicalInsanity didn't imply she shouldn't have her freedom of speech. He's saying in his opinion, she should have been fired for calling him a white supremacist. If I was ESPN I would fire literally anyone who loosely used that kind of language. It's not helpful and there is no evidence to support it. She has every right to say what she wants but there are consequences. Do not confuse the two. Of course you're trying to muddy the argument as usual when you're in the wrong.
 
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