Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[Letssnuggle]

There are a ton of posters itt who I think are paranoid and misguided enough to do something very stupid because they have vague suspicions about "the government." I'm seriously wondering if marijuana is contributing to this increasing affinity to conspiracy theories we're seeing here and generally on the Internet. I wouldn't rule that out- it can be terrible for critical thinking and paranoia in some cases.

That’s a reflection of your judgment. And your track record isn’t exactly good....

 

[Bald1]

Holy shit, 66 pages? Any actual findings by the med examiner or any concrete revelations?

 

[BEER]

I am simply highlighting than you are a fan of CK, a sexual abuser. It is funny because it is true. And at the same time have been defending a serial sex abuser.Does Alanis Morissette need to drop a stone cold stunner on yer ass?

I mean, if I worked for the government, I would put you on a sexual predator list.

Are you this active talking shit to conservative posters grasping at any straw to defend sexual abusers in the Girls Do Porn thread?

Or are you just trying to grab a "gotcha" against a guy who likes good comedy and happens to be liberal?

 

[Nate banged my mom]

I am simply highlighting than you are a fan of CK, a sexual abuser. It is funny because it is true. And at the same time have been defending a serial sex abuser.Does Alanis Morissette need to drop a stone cold stunner on yer ass?

I mean, if I worked for the government, I would put you on a sexual predator list.

 

[Confucamus]

I correctly identified the murder conspiracy theories as being shitty conspiracy theories. And since you bring up "before the majority of facts" had come up, well, I was the one actually following the facts, while the shitty conspiracy theorists were not following the facts.

The rest I can safely skim, but I do hope you feel like an idiot, because you should.

Also, the post of mine you quoted had nothing at all to do with your reply, which was just your built-up hostility that you should probably fashion into a large object and swallow, orally or otherwise.

pro-tip: conspiracy retards always, always, always give themselves away by saying "official story" in a disdainful manner. Like you did in your post. Now go do something else, Twerp.

Well, that was about as cowardly of a post as you could've responded with. You use an ad hominem attack, yet accuse me of built up hostility? Interesting. Saying I used a "disdainful manner" when saying "official story" just adds to the strangeness of why you're taking this story so personally. Re-reading my post, I have no idea how you got that. I don't feel like an idiot at all actually because I'm not the one acting like a broad about this story.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

...has Barr discovered who the fiendish "co-conspirators" are?

 

[Fawlty]

Holy shit, 66 pages? Any actual findings by the med examiner or any concrete revelations?

Yes, the finding was suicide.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Yes, the finding was suicide.

And no grassy knoll, jet fuel, or UFO's?
How unlikely!

 

[Fawlty]

And no grassy knoll, jet fuel, or UFO's?
How unlikely!

lol no shadowy midget snipers so far. The funny thing is, if somehow this does turn out to be a murder, the dweebs will pretend that they were being rational about it all along.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

lol no shadowy midget snipers so far. The funny thing is, if somehow this does turn out to be a murder, the dweebs will pretend that they were being rational about it all along.

"See?! My completely broken- line, unfounded, unsupported theory based on illogic and unreason happens to be correct!"

As you say, their ideas are couched in enough vagueness and uncertainties that they can't be wrong no matter the conclusion.

I love the argument from incredulity.
"I can't believe it was suicide... therefore it was murder. "

 

[MikeMcMann]

Holy shit, 66 pages? Any actual findings by the med examiner or any concrete revelations?

We were all told it was suicide well before the M.E's findings and most beside the nutty accepted that was likely the case.

We need to get better understanding as to whether this suicide was aided either thru gross negligence or purposeful negligence?

Those were the 2 main questions prior and they are still the 2 main questions today.

Gross negligence is the confluence of simple mistakes or poor decisions.
Purposeful negligence can be creating situations where inmates or others can get to him to enact what is known as Prison Justice or knowing he may be suicidal and just leaving him to his devices as you don't care and feel everyone would be better off if he did it.

But these major questions that existed prior to the M.E report are still the ones that need answering now:

- why was he taken off suicide watch? Who made that call? Did it follow protocol?
- Protocol calls for an inmate coming off suicide watch to have a low risk cell mate for a period time post the attempt. The claim is he had one assigned but that person had a last minute transfer order and they decided to go thru with the transfer leaving Epstein alone. Who made that call? Prior protocol is reported to be that any such transfers would be delayed until the new cell mate was put in place. Someone over-rode that. How common is that departure? How often would that happen?
- Protocol was that guards should patrol and put eyes on him at a minimum, every 30 minutes (?). On that evening the rounds were not happening. How often would that departure happen?
- he revised his Will two days before his suicide. It is protocol that the Prisons, if aware of that, consider that a key indicator that a person may attempt suicide soon. Were they aware? Did they follow protocol?
- there is CCTV all thru the prison and yet nothing has been reported about what was captured. Why? Were they all operable? Was there any divergence from what is the norm there?


So as you can see pretty much every issue before the M.E report still exists and remains unanswered even this far into what should be a open investigation.

The only info we really have got is that they had some over worked guards who may have been derelict in their duties. Not shocking. But pinning this all on the low man in the totem pole is too conventiant and does not address all the other major issues that need answering.

No one should deny that the confluence of gross negligence is the leading theory. It is. But every time you require multiple things to ALL go wrong for that to happen then the more evidence is required to substantiate that. One mistake is easy to swallow. Two mistakes, also easy. Four or more required coincidental mistakes, rightly raise questions that require answers.

 

[JonesBones]

"See?! My completely broken- line, unfounded, unsupported theory based on illogic and unreason happens to be correct!"

As you say, their ideas are couched in enough vagueness and uncertainties that they can't be wrong no matter the conclusion.

I love the argument from incredulity.
"I can't believe it was suicide... therefore it was murder. "

It almost sounds like God or religion. Vague enough to be true anywhere. They are using god of gaps arguments. Any gap into the story, is a place where they can hide and squeeze their God into the smallest cracks.

It is also a form of creationism or irreducible complexity. The events are too complex to be explained by their parts so a boogeyman must be invented to account for it.

 

[JonesBones]

We were all told it was suicide well before the M.E's findings and most beside the nutty accepted that was likely the case.

We need to get better understanding as to whether this suicide aided either thru gross negligence or purposeful negligence.

Gross negligence is the confluence of simple mistakes or poor decisions.
Purposeful negligence can be creating situations where inmates or others can get to him to enact what is known as Prison Justice or knowing he may be suicidal and just leaving him to his devices as you don't care and feel everyone would be better off if he did it.

But these major questions that existed prior to the M.E report are still the ones that need answering now:

- why was he taken off suicide watch? Who made that call? Did it follow protocol?
- Protocol calls for an inmate coming off suicide watch to have a low risk cell mate for a period time post the attempt. The claim is he had one assigned but that person had a last minute transfer order and they decided to go thru with the transfer leaving Epstein alone. Who made that call? Prior protocol is reported to be that any such transfers would be delayed until the new cell mate was put in place. Someone over-rode that. How common is that departure? How often would that happen?
- Protocol was that guards should patrol and put eyes on him at a minimum, every 30 minutes (?). On that evening the rounds were not happening. How often would that departure happen?
- he revised his Will two days before his suicide. It is protocol that the Prisons, if aware of that, consider that a key indicator that a person may attempt suicide soon. Were they aware? Did they follow protocol?
- there is CCTV all thru the prison and yet nothing has been reported about what was captured. Why? Were they all operable? Was there any divergence form what is the norm there?


So as you can see pretty much every issue before the M.E report still exists and remains unanswered even this far into what should be a open investigation.

The only info we really have got is that they had some over worked guards who may have been derelict in their duties. Not shocking. But pinning this all on the low man in the totem pole is too conventiant and does not address all the other major issues that need answering.

No one should deny that the confluence of gross negligence is the leading theory. It is. But every time you require multiple things to ALL go wrong for that to happen then the more evidence is required to substantiate that. One mistake is easy to swallow. Two mistakes, also easy. Four or more required coincidental mistakes, rightly raise questions that require answers.

Thank you for long windedly going over your theories for the dozenth time. So much JAQing off. Nice climax. lol. "raise questions that require answers".




Why does this clown have to say so many words over and over again. Trying being somewhat terse and not write walls of text on which could be explained more quickly.

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Yes, the finding was suicide.

<Lmaoo>

@Bald1 this is why the thread is a hundred plus pages or whatever.

 

[SleepyBoy]

I find it rather strange people reflexively accept the story pushed out by authorities without question.

I will remember this and remind these people to reflexively accept what the authorities tell them next time a cop kills an unarmed POC, while his body cam malfunctions, all standard operating procedures go ignored, all of colleagues won't cooperate with the investigation and a self-review of situation finds that they did nothing wrong.
I will remind them that not reflexively accepting the story means that they are a kooky conspiracy theorist with deranged mental problems.

 

[Seano]

Holy shit, some of you are still acting all high and mighty about this?

An extremely rich man with high profile connections was found dead in his jail cell after being accused of basically running a resort from famous people to go to to fuck kids.

Its a pretty interesting story with all sorts of threads yet to be unraveled. Stop getting so upset that people want to talk about it.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I find it rather strange people reflexively accept the story pushed out by authorities without question.

I will remember this and remind these people to reflexively accept what the authorities tell them next time a cop kills an unarmed POC, while his body cam malfunctions, all standard operating procedures go ignored, all of colleagues won't cooperate with the investigation and a self-review of situation finds that they did nothing wrong.
I will remind them that not reflexively accepting the story means that they are a kooky conspiracy theorist with deranged mental problems.

it's not the reflexive acceptance that is worst imo.

It is this new idea that 'no one should ask questions or for clarification' or that is equivalent to spreading a CT.

There is such a monumental misunderstanding and ignorance being displayed by those who think asking questions automatically equals JAQing. No, false, that is only the case once an issue has been adjudicated and the answers are in and yet doubters and Cter's keep floating open ended questions as if never answered.

To ask 'what did the camera's see?' 'Why was he taken off suicide watch?' Before the first investigations into these things is complete DOES NOT EQUAL JAQing, not even remotely and one has to be stupid to equate them.

 

[mortal]

I was thinking, why would he commit suicide anyway? The trial wasn't over, was it?
Also, it's no secret that the rich and powerful can get away with things that the average person would end up in prison for. Epstein was rich and, even if he wasn't powerful (I don't know), he had powerful connections.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Excuse me, but I haven't done anything to defend a serial sex abuser here. You can kindly shove that right up your ass before apologizing.

And you still haven't responded to my question, which is why is it "funny that posters who believe in democratic principles that are opposed to systemic racism and misogyny, and religious hierarchies of corruption, are opposed to conspiracy theories."?

I'm going to defend you in this matter, although I find your insinuation that belief in conspiracy theories about Epstein's death are rooted in anti-Semitism to be inaccurate and offputting and misapplied. Anti-Semitism should only be invoked when there is clear evidence that one's theory is rooted in it.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

I remember you proclaiming CNN isn’t biased. LOL

I remember seeing him proclaim that CNN had a anti-Hillary, pro-Trump bias during the 2016 campaign.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I find it rather strange people reflexively accept the story pushed out by authorities without question.

I will remember this and remind these people to reflexively accept what the authorities tell them next time a cop kills an unarmed POC, while his body cam malfunctions, all standard operating procedures go ignored, all of colleagues won't cooperate with the investigation and a self-review of situation finds that they did nothing wrong.
I will remind them that not reflexively accepting the story means that they are a kooky conspiracy theorist with deranged mental problems.

Yes, that's solid thinking, this situation is broadly applicable to whatever