Jack Slack article on Anderson Silva leg break

[IamStryker]

he trained to check kicks. he was actually a little late in his reaction and was still reacting to the kick raising his leg as the kick lands. his anticipation was better on the other kick and he blocked it much lower.

he trained to check kicks. not break legs. he didn't intentionally place the leg exactly where he wanted. he reacted and checked a kick.

And people who train to throw punches aren't also trying to break bones which is rare? Weidman knows that checking kicks well can potentially do a lot of damage, it makes no difference if Weidman thought that particular check would break a bone or not. Also, your making a big assumption trying to tell everyone what Weidman was doing with that check. He trained to use his knee and he did, just because everything happened very fast doesn't mean he didn't intend to use his knee on that check.

 

[IamStryker]

You are arguing against a value judgement that he wasn't making.
A fluke is lucky/unlucky per definition . There is an element of chance to every action in a fight. Even if you were to hit a stationary target you wouldn't hit the target exactly the same way each time, and much less so if you are striking a defending and moving target that is also trying to strike you.
To break a leg is simply a very rare occurrence, thus it is a fluke.
That does not mean Weidman deserves zero credit.

Then why are people using the word fluke for this particular occurrence and not in every friggin fight ever? Rare stuff occurs all the time. Silva did many things that are rare but the Silva fan boys aren't calling what he did "flukes".

I disagree that anything rare is a fluke. The fighters created the circumstances of that break so it wasn't nearly as lucky as people are trying to make it seem.

 

[flanellograf]

Then why are people using the word fluke for this particular occurrence and not in every friggin fight ever? Rare stuff occurs all the time. Silva did many things that are rare but the Silva fan boys aren't calling what he did "flukes".

I disagree that anything rare is a fluke. The fighters created the circumstances of that break so it wasn't nearly as lucky as people are trying to make it seem.

"Rare" is a broad term. The definition doesn't include exactly how rare the event must be. Usually it is reserved for very rare events, and yes, often it is used as a value judgement. It all depends on the context, and some people assume too much, too quickly, and sometimes can't even accept when the intention is explained to them. Anderson has done a lot of low percentage, flukish things throughout his career, most certainly. It is however usually seen as less of a fluke if the action was offensive. Also, his leg could have just been hurt, and not snapped in half. It is the latter part which is the fluke.

 

[IamStryker]

"Rare" is a broad term. The definition doesn't include exactly how rare the event must be. Usually it is reserved for very rare events, and yes, often it is used as a value judgement. It all depends on the context, and some people assume too much, too quickly, and sometimes can't even accept when the intention is explained to them. Anderson has done a lot of low percentage, flukish things throughout his career, most certainly. It is however usually seen as less of a fluke if the action was offensive. Also, his leg could have just been hurt, and not snapped in half. It is the latter part which is the fluke.

Makes sense however I don't agree that there is a difference between a purely offensive move and Weidmans leg check. Both can yield damage so I don't see how there is any difference.

 

[flanellograf]

Makes sense however I don't agree that there is a difference between a purely offensive move and Weidmans leg check. Both can yield damage so I don't see how there is any difference.

Well, one is proactive, and the other is reactive. You could argue that you have the advantage and the element of chance is less when you are the one initiating the action, since it takes some time for the opponent to react.

 

[Deleted member 407839]

That fact that he shows BOTH gifs of Chris checking the kicks, proves that the end result of the fight was, in fact a "fluke".

No. Just no.

Read the article.

 

[A2DaK3**]

Jack Slack is an idiot and an Anderson Silva hating idiot at that. His articles are not worth discussing.

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

I agree with the first part, I don't see how you could even think that was a possibility.

Calling it a fluke,.. is not silly.
It is for a fact, the definition of fluke. You have to remove yourself from the emotion of it, and look at it like a piece of Science. Leg checks happen all of the time in the UFC, there have only been 2 broken shins,.. EVER. That's a statistical fluke. Out of all of the leg checks Chris has ever done, he has broken one shin. That's a fluke.

Now when you talk about that front kick, you are talking about an offensive move. That changes the entire premise of the situation. However, even if we include this in the argument, you will see it is no fluke. There have actually been several front kick KO's now. The move itself isn't often done, but I would say the majority(over 50%) of the time that it actually lands, it results in a KO/TKO. This makes it no fluke. On the other hand, people land leg checks all of the time. Only 2 broken shins like this have happened in the UFC. So, many leg checks in the UFC are executed and landed, but only 2 results like this. That makes it a fluke occurrence.

This should really put an end to the front kick comparison.

nothing you saw here is accurate.

You start with a basic premise that somehow an injury caused via an 'offensive' move is somehow more valid or less lucky then one caused by a 'counter' move.

that is wrong on its face.

If my intent is to counter what you are doing and damage you in the process and I do damage it is no different then if I just want to attack and do damage and accomplish it.

That flaw in your thinking is pervasive throughout your logic (or lack thereof) and invalidates everything else you say.

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

Then why are people using the word fluke for this particular occurrence and not in every friggin fight ever? Rare stuff occurs all the time. Silva did many things that are rare but the Silva fan boys aren't calling what he did "flukes".

I disagree that anything rare is a fluke. The fighters created the circumstances of that break so it wasn't nearly as lucky as people are trying to make it seem.

read my sig and you will know why.

Anderson has being 'doing stuff in the octagon know one else does' (thus rare) for years and getting maximum credit for it.

The whole term 'unorthodox' basically just means 'not commonly done or believed to be of the best technique' and yet unorthodox techniques can work sometimes and others they fail.

Anderson uber fans are simply desperate to rationalize why he lost again and just as they give Chris zero credit for the first win, they now do so again with this win.

Again my sig explains it all.

 

[IamStryker]

Jack Slack is an idiot and an Anderson Silva hating idiot at that. His articles are not worth discussing.

Please link where he has said anything remotely "Anderson Silva hating".

If you know of any other professional articles on this topic please link them as well. Until then his article is worth discussing much more than posts made by fan boys on Sherdog.

 

[MaTaLa]

Arguing semantics trying to save face for Silva. Who would have thought this possible 6 months ago.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

Most people don't intend to crash their car. Weidman intended to check the kick snd hurt silva's leg. It broke, that doesn't always happen but inflicting damage was the intent. Just like punching someone in the jaw. You intend to do damage, but the Jaw doesn't always break. Once in a while it does. is Hunts breaking of Struve's jaw a fluke and an accident as well?

I think most of your assessment is fair.

The breaking of the jaw was not a fluke, because jaws get broken all of the time from strikes. Maybe you could consider the severity of it a statistical fluke, if that's what you want to do.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

He is trying to take credit for saying that Weidman won legitimately. I don't think he meant that Weidman won in the bounds of the rules. He was trying to give Weidman credit for winning the fight and at the same time take it away by calling the leg break a fluke. That does not make sense.

People who say Weidman won by fluke are typically saying that Weidman didn't really do anything to win and just got "lucky"

Edit: Some of the people calling it a fluke are also calling the first fight a fluke which reveals their rampant fanboyism.

What I really don't like, is how you are putting assumptions all over the place in my statements in order to fit this argument you have going on. Instead, you could just read exactly what I type and take it for what I am saying.

You KNOW that I am right on my point of view,.. you know it.

Stop trying to find new little things to argue about.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

You are arguing against a value judgement that he wasn't making.
A fluke is lucky/unlucky per definition . There is an element of chance to every action in a fight. Even if you were to hit a stationary target you wouldn't hit the target exactly the same way each time, and much less so if you are striking a defending and moving target that is also trying to strike you.
To break a leg is simply a very rare occurrence, thus it is a fluke.
That does not mean Weidman deserves zero credit.

Thank God some other people are getting it.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

nothing you saw here is accurate.

You start with a basic premise that somehow an injury caused via an 'offensive' move is somehow more valid or less lucky then one caused by a 'counter' move.

that is wrong on its face.

If my intent is to counter what you are doing and damage you in the process and I do damage it is no different then if I just want to attack and do damage and accomplish it.

That flaw in your thinking is pervasive throughout your logic (or lack thereof) and invalidates everything else you say.

No, I started out by giving the breakdown of how it was a fluke by definition. Stop being dishonest in your posts. Everything I said was exactly accurate. If it isn't, then PROVE IT by posting PROOF, not some crazy rage based opinion.

 

[kflo]

No. Just no.

Read the article.

you're aware that there are things in the article he's literally just making up?

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

I will repost for everyone to see again.

I can't believe people are actually going to claim that Chris baited him with a kick, to get a kick back,.. just so he could check it.

Here is the thing,...If Chris was doing that, and knew what he would get back from his kick,.. then why does he start out blocking high with his hands? Why is his reaction and look on his face, one of rushed worry?

As soon as Anderson starts to kick, Chris blocks high with his hands. That lets me know, he thought a high attack was incoming, then he dropped one low and changed his defense to a leg check at the last second and things just went right for him.

Chris is an amazing fighter.
This was a legit win.

That being said, people need to stop making things up about the situation. It is a simple situation, with a freakish outcome. The guy really drilled his leg checks and did his best with them, but this wasn't set up and he didn't break his shin on purpose.

 

[IamStryker]

What I really don't like, is how you are putting assumptions all over the place in my statements in order to fit this argument you have going on. Instead, you could just read exactly what I type and take it for what I am saying.

I would like to read what you type and take it at face value but how do I reconcile you saying that Weidman won legitimately AND he won by a fluke? To me those to things are opposites.

You KNOW that I am right on my point of view,.. you know it.

Now THERE is an assumption. What the hell makes you think that? So far I find most of your posts to be fanboyish crap.

 

[maniacmatt1782]

Noone breaks a shin intentionally with a check, however they DO intend to hurt the kicker and make them pay for throwing kicks. Intending to hurt silva for throwing kicks was the intent all along. As for the block and check, it looked simutanious. Being prepared if the kick came high or low. You ca also see the elbow was down incase it went to the body.

 

[IamStryker]

As soon as Anderson starts to kick, Chris blocks high with his hands. That lets me know, he thought a high attack was incoming, then he dropped one low and changed his defense to a leg check at the last second and things just went right for him.

Andersons kick takes less than a second so I think its far more feasible that he was just covering both bases at the same time. I don't see how it matters though. Either way is very skillful so I don't know how it matters to the discussion. He trained for something and succeeded. It wasn't just "luck"