Jack Slack article on Anderson Silva leg break

[TinkersPot]

sorry i didn't answer you quickly enough. lol

Nvm read that quote wrong.

 

[kflo]

I didn't watch the whole video but the most part. I didn't see one full force leg kick thrown without setup. And I don't remember Weidman doing that either. So... are you a muay thai expert?

i am not an expert. i train and spar and have been doing so for years but am far from an expert. and neither is jack slack. he's a writer, who has some training.

 

[kflo]

Absolutely nothing I have written there is dependent on me being a professional, amateur, or even recreational fighter.

understanding motivation and thought process of checking kicks is relevant.

 

[IamStryker]

understanding motivation and thought process of checking kicks is relevant.

The motivation of a leg check isn't brain surgery. I know what it is and what its used for.

 

[flanellograf]

i am not an expert. i train and spar and have been doing so for years but am far from an expert. and neither is jack slack. he's a writer, who has some training.

Who would you say is the best analyst out there, and is there someone that you would qualify as an expert? I've seen more accomplished writers in the separate arts, but not really an mma "expert" yet. Although I'm not sure what credentials you would need to qualify as one.

 

[kflo]

The motivation of a leg check isn't brain surgery. I know what it is and what its used for.

understanding the thought process behind defending an incoming kick isn't exactly something you just know.

 

[kflo]

Who would you say is the best analyst out there, and is there someone that you would qualify as an expert? I've seen more accomplished writers in the separate arts, but not really an mma "expert" yet. Although I'm not sure what credentials you would need to qualify as one.

i honestly am not aware of any experts who do detailed breakdowns. slack does breakdowns, but he's not an expert, and draws alot of false conclusions that he passes off as inside knowledge. it doesn't make him bad at what he does, but it's sometimes annoying to hear things repeated that are simply not supported.

 

[IamStryker]

understanding the thought process behind defending an incoming kick isn't exactly something you just know.

Your right, its super complicated. How could I have ever thought to understand such a crazy technique as blocking a kick with my leg. My mind is blown.

If you have something to say then say it.

 

[Daath132]

I can't believe he actually thinks knee spiking is a good thing. Sure it can cause a lot of damage but if the kick hits the knee wrong you could seriously damage your knee.

 

[casnow]

I think article highlights a couple of interesting things about MMA striking. One of the things is that there are very few guys that check kicks well in MMA, probably because they are so worried about TDs. Second is that in terms of setting up the kick there are very few guys that do it consistently and at a high level like we see in Muay Thai matches (probably because it is a primary weapon in MT and not necessarily so in MMA). Third, we often see weak low kicks out of guys unless their opponent is NOT checking it.

When it comes to this being a fluke or not, how many times have we seen a guy hurt his foot while kicking? There have certainly been a number of broken foots and toes, but guys can usually keep going.

 

[flanellograf]

i honestly am not aware of any experts who do detailed breakdowns. slack does breakdowns, but he's not an expert, and draws alot of false conclusions that he passes off as inside knowledge. it doesn't make him bad at what he does, but it's sometimes annoying to hear things repeated that are simply not supported.

Have you read Conor Reubusch's columns (Discipulus) on bloody elbow? He is admittedly also a dabbler, but his opinions generally seem to coincide with Luis Monda's (Sinister) who seems to be a pretty accomplished and knowledgeable stand up coach. Anyway, I tend to appreciate his writing style and analyses more.

 

[kflo]

Have you read Conor Reubusch's columns (Discipulus) on bloody elbow? He is admittedly also a dabbler, but his opinions generally seem to coincide with Luis Monda's (Sinister) who seems to be a pretty accomplished and knowledgeable stand up coach. Anyway, I tend to appreciate his writing style and analyses more.

i have respect for the posts and knowledge of both those guys but only through sherdog and the striking subforum. not sure i've seen detailed breakdowns and fighter / fight analysis.

 

[kflo]

Your right, its super complicated. How could I have ever thought to understand such a crazy technique as blocking a kick with my leg. My mind is blown.

If you have something to say then say it.

seems like most people characterizing it as an offensive attack little different from a punch to the head or a front kick to the face have never checked a kick before. that's what i'm saying. what do you think is primarily going through weidman's head as he's reacting to the kick?

 

[IamStryker]

seems like most people characterizing it as an offensive attack little different from a punch to the head or a front kick to the face have never checked a kick before. that's what i'm saying. what do you think is primarily going through weidman's head as he's reacting to the kick?

Hmmmm how about "Oh crap he is kicking I had better move my leg to check"

Its not that complicated. Of course he isn't thinking "sweet he has fallen into my trap, get ready for a broken leg noob!"

You can train for a result without thinking about it in the moment. He probably thought it would be an ordinary blocked kick but got the pleasant surprise of the absolute best case scenario.

 

[kflo]

he trained to defend against kicks. his thought process was most likely defend against this kick. that's my point - there are those arguing he's making an aggressive, offensive move. like any other strike. he defended, and when strikes are blocked, and bones connect, there's always a chance for injury. silva threw knowing he could get checked. weidman defended well. the result was unexpected, unintended. it won the fight.

 

[IamStryker]

he trained to defend against kicks. his thought process was most likely defend against this kick. that's my point - there are those arguing he's making an aggressive, offensive move. like any other strike. he defended, and when strikes are blocked, and bones connect, there's always a chance for injury. silva threw knowing he could get checked. weidman defended well. the result was unexpected, unintended. it won the fight.

Still don't agree with the unintended part. He doesn't have to be thinking offensively in that split second in order to intentionally hurt Silva with a leg check. I agree its not exactly the same as a strike but the intentions of the moves are the same regardless of your thoughts at that moment. Checks are always thought of in a defensive way but they still have offensive capabilities so I don't see how it makes sense to call the desired result as "unintended". Weidman got his desired result. My sig says it all.

 

[gybe]

Something I'm surprised hasn't been discussed much is that the break did not occur at the point of impact. I believe Weidman got 3 checks in that round and the break happened on the 2nd check of that particular leg. I don't have proof but I believe Silva fractured his leg the first time he got checked.

That would explain why the break happened lower down the leg than at the point of impact.

 

[kflo]

Something I'm surprised hasn't been discussed much is that the break did not occur at the point of impact. I believe Weidman got 3 checks in that round and the break happened on the 2nd check of that particular leg. I don't have proof but I believe Silva fractured his leg the first time he got checked.

That would explain why the break happened lower down the leg than at the point of impact.

this was the first kick with the left leg

 

[flanellograf]

this was the first kick with the left leg

Wow, he really telegraphed the kick. No wonder Chris was able to check one.

 

[wartor]

he trained to defend against kicks. his thought process was most likely defend against this kick. that's my point - there are those arguing he's making an aggressive, offensive move. like any other strike. he defended, and when strikes are blocked, and bones connect, there's always a chance for injury. silva threw knowing he could get checked. weidman defended well. the result was unexpected, unintended. it won the fight.

Almost, Weidman actually baited Silva to throw the kicks just so he could check them. He notice whenever he threw a high kick Silva countered with a low kick. The result was to hurt him checking those kicks, the amount of punishment Silva got was the surprise.