Jack Slack article on Anderson Silva leg break

[maniacmatt1782]

The overall point is even if Silva's leg doesnt break, and is just hurt, his mobility and tdd go out the window, and Weidman likely goes on to win anyway.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

I would like to read what you type and take it at face value but how do I reconcile you saying that Weidman won legitimately AND he won by a fluke? To me those to things are opposites.



Now THERE is an assumption. What the hell makes you think that? So far I find most of your posts to be fanboyish crap.

And this is what just disproves your argument.
You have a discrimination based view of my posts, that is incorrect on top of it.

I was extremely happy when Chris won the first fight. I was screaming for joy at the top of my lungs. So don't come out here and start calling people a "fanboy", simply because your points of view have been proven wrong. GTFO with that shit.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

The overall point is even if Silva's leg doesnt break, and is just hurt, his mobility and tdd go out the window, and Weidman likely goes on to win anyway.

And this is exactly another reason why I say the win was legit.

A freak result is just part of the game, that is a legit win.

Even without the freak result, it still had a huge chance to dictate the entire fight, leading to a legit win.

Either way, Chris wins that fight.

 

[kflo]

The overall point is even if Silva's leg doesnt break, and is just hurt, his mobility and tdd go out the window, and Weidman likely goes on to win anyway.

one checked kick is generally not going to have a significant impact on a seasoned muay thai fighter. again, silva's likely had kicks checked thousands of times.

 

[flanellograf]

I would like to read what you type and take it at face value but how do I reconcile you saying that Weidman won legitimately AND he won by a fluke? To me those to things are opposites.

Well therein lies your problem. They are not opposites. You keep thinking a fluke equals an accident that has nothing to do with the fight. Like if someone from the audience threw a banana peel into the cage and Anderson slipped on it and broke his leg. It doesn't. Even if it's often how the word is used.

 

[flanellograf]

The overall point is even if Silva's leg doesnt break, and is just hurt, his mobility and tdd go out the window, and Weidman likely goes on to win anyway.

Sure. It still would be a rare event, just not as extraordinarily rare as a leg break.
Even if you throw that out of the window, Weidman was up on the score cards and if the fight continued the same he also would have won.
The whole argument from "silva fans" is that it's Anderson, and he has a history of winning by similarly flukish scenarios (although most wouldn't put it that way ), so we can't be reasonably sure he wouldn't have pulled another rabbit out of his hat. I guess his "luck" came back to bite him in the ass finally.

 

[SherdogFan23]

Thanks for posting that article - Excellent

 

[IamStryker]

And this is what just disproves your argument.
You have a discrimination based view of my posts, that is incorrect on top of it.

I was extremely happy when Chris won the first fight. I was screaming for joy at the top of my lungs. So don't come out here and start calling people a "fanboy", simply because your points of view have been proven wrong. GTFO with that shit.

I said your posts have come across like that. I don't see why anyone can't just say good job to Weidman he did great both fights and they were legitimate wins. Instead they say oh look how it was a fluke leg break and Weidman was lucky. I saw that stuff from you so thats my first impression.

You have proven nothing I have said wrong. You think way too highly of your opinions and assumptions.

 

[IamStryker]

Well therein lies your problem. They are not opposites. You keep thinking a fluke equals an accident that has nothing to do with the fight. Like if someone from the audience threw a banana peel into the cage and Anderson slipped on it and broke his leg. It doesn't. Even if it's often how the word is used.

I am completely sure that some people in here are in fact using it that way and even admit it. I don't see the word "fluke" as a compliment. If I am trying to tell someone they did a good job I am certainly not going to say that they won by a fluke.

 

[CrimsonFan]

A key point of the article was that in high-level striking you have to set up your low kicks. You can't just fire them off willy-nilly. In MMA, people just carelessly throw low kicks like a jab, using them to set up the rest of their game, only being worried about the straight right/left counter.

In both those legkick gifs from Silva, there is zero setup. He just throws a low kick in response to Weidman's own kick, the exact time when Weidman is best prepared to defend a low kick and is able to easily check.

I definitely expect more aggressive use of checking in MMA. Part of the reason people don't check more is that they want both feet on the ground, fearing the takedown. When you have great wrestling, however, you don't need to be as worried about that.

Yep. This article basically shows that Silva woulda had that kick checked and he would have hurt himself against many high level strikers. He's just used to the competition being weak in MMA where you don't have to even set up your legkicks.

 

[kflo]

I am completely sure that some people in here are in fact using it that way and even admit it. I don't see the word "fluke" as a compliment. If I am trying to tell someone they did a good job I am certainly not going to say that they won by a fluke.

just because you don't like how it sounds doesn't mean it's less true. it was a freakish consequence to a checked kick. he did what he trained to do, check kicks. but he didn't do so to end the fight. it happened and he won. but that doesn't mean we have to act as if he trained to break legs and implement destruction. good on him for checking a kick, and more importantly kicking silva's ass in the first fight and the first round, but that doesn't make the ending of the 2nd fight less of a freakish event to a checked kick. it is what it is - chris wins, stays champ, silva losses again, career possibly over. that doesn't mean we have to act as if we saw some magical, satisfying ending. silva threw what would generally be a rather low risk strike, and shattered his leg on an good reactive check from weidman.

 

[flanellograf]

I am completely sure that some people in here are in fact using it that way and even admit it. I don't see the word "fluke" as a compliment. If I am trying to tell someone they did a good job I am certainly not going to say that they won by a fluke.

I'm sure that some of the more biased fans do. That is to be expected. Which is also why context is important, and not just having a knee-jerk reaction to the word. :wink:

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

No, I started out by giving the breakdown of how it was a fluke by definition. Stop being dishonest in your posts. Everything I said was exactly accurate. If it isn't, then PROVE IT by posting PROOF, not some crazy rage based opinion.

False.

You say a broken jaw from a punch is not a fluke because they happen often. But really they do not. Not when you look at how many punches to the head happen in fight sports. I don't think you can prove the frequency is any more then leg breaks due to checked kicks but please provide the stats if you have them.

And besides once again you do not understand what you are talking about.

Something happening 'rarely' is about frequency. A bruise may be more common then a KO which may be more common then a broken jaw, which may be more common then a broken orbital or cheek bone.

Those are all normal and expected results of punches in enough fights, but some just happen less often.

There is nothing flukish about an normal occurrence happening on the rare occasion if it is expected to happen rarely. You have drawn some wrong imaginary line where an event like a broken jaw is not quite rare enough to be a fluke but a broken orbital might be??? And that is not how things work where one person can draw an imaginary line.

The event is either an expected outcome of an action (from common to rare) or it is not. And if it is an expected outcome, even a rare one, then it is not a fluke.

 

[kflo]

fuckin jack slack. he can say anything and then you have guys quoting it as if he's an expert muay thai fighter.



here's elite muay thai. you see lots of kicks thrown with little setup. the kicks themselves are part of the setup for future attacks. not every strike thrown has to have perfect setup. the primary risk from a strike with little setup is that it can be countered. silva threw his with little risk of an effective counter. weidman threw his own kicks with little setup. it is part of the ebb and flow of standup.

 

[IamStryker]

just because you don't like how it sounds doesn't mean it's less true. it was a freakish consequence to a checked kick. he did what he trained to do, check kicks. but he didn't do so to end the fight. it happened and he won. but that doesn't mean we have to act as if he trained to break legs and implement destruction. good on him for checking a kick, and more importantly kicking silva's ass in the first fight and the first round, but that doesn't make the ending of the 2nd fight less of a freakish event to a checked kick. it is what it is - chris wins, stays champ, silva losses again, career possibly over. that doesn't mean we have to act as if we saw some magical, satisfying ending. silva threw what would generally be a rather low risk strike, and shattered his leg on an good reactive check from weidman.

Its less how it sounds and more the meaning that I think it carries when used. I don't have any problem calling the result freakish, it doesn't happen very often and pretty gross.

However any time you train to deal damage there's a possibility it can end a fight. If you want to take Chris' word for it he already knew someone who had their leg broken that way by his trainer. Of course he wasn't banking on a leg check to end the fight but that doesn't mean he couldn't have trained for the possibility.

 

[TinkersPot]

fuckin jack slack. he can say anything and then you have guys quoting it as if he's an expert muay thai fighter.



here's elite muay thai. you see lots of kicks thrown with little setup. the kicks themselves are part of the setup for future attacks. not every strike thrown has to have perfect setup. the primary risk from a strike with little setup is that it can be countered. silva threw his with little risk of an effective counter. weidman threw his own kicks with little setup. it is part of the ebb and flow of standup.

I didn't watch the whole video but the most part. I didn't see one full force leg kick thrown without setup. And I don't remember Weidman doing that either. So... are you a muay thai expert?

 

[kflo]

Its less how it sounds and more the meaning that I think it carries when used. I don't have any problem calling the result freakish, it doesn't happen very often and pretty gross.

However any time you train to deal damage there's a possibility it can end a fight. If you want to take Chris' word for it he already knew someone who had their leg broken that way by his trainer. Of course he wasn't banking on a leg check to end the fight but that doesn't mean he couldn't have trained for the possibility.

do you train and have you checked kicks?

i ask because its important to understand the mental aspect and thought process behind checking kicks.

 

[TinkersPot]

do you train and have you checked kicks?

i ask because its important to understand the mental aspect and thought process behind checking kicks.

You completely dodged my question. I take it as a no then.

 

[kflo]

You completely dodged my question. I take it as a no then.

sorry i didn't answer you quickly enough. lol

 

[IamStryker]

do you train and have you checked kicks?

i ask because its important to understand the mental aspect and thought process behind checking kicks.

Absolutely nothing I have written there is dependent on me being a professional, amateur, or even recreational fighter.