Opinion I've been saying it starts at home.

[bufetadanacara]

Because I live in the real world, not some magical imagination land where you can just wish responsibility and better life choices into existence.

You can't just wish it. It needs to be learnt through reward and consequence.


Those children should have been smacked across their faces for their behaviour. You'd probably prefer to give them some sort of monetary reward.

 

[skold]

You can't just wish it. It needs to be learnt through reward and consequence.


Those children should have been smacked across their faces for their behaviour. You'd probably prefer to give them some sort of monetary reward.

Yeah ok buddy. Great solutions there, can't wait to see it in policy form. Run along now.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

Let's say you have two groups that commit crimes at relatively similar rates, which is what most studies indicate.

You police one group less, so you reveal less crime within that group, and the people within that group is proven to be treated less severely by the system so in the end it returns less incarcerations.

The other group is policed far more aggressively and while police actions return similar per capita instances of crime in the the end crime is found far more often in that group. That group is also prosecuted more aggressively and is less likely to be able to afford as good a defense so in the end it returns more incarcerations.

The numbers returned by these actions indicate there is more crime in one of the groups and so that policing of that group escalates. It's a feedback loop.

And a perfect example of systemic racism.

It's why stop and frisk was hated so much. If you stopped white people as often as you stopped black people you would have revealed just as much crime, although you would have been a lot less likely to prosecute, because they're white.

Now, do homicides.

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

Let's say that one group is FAR smaller than the other, which throws your false equivalency statistics into the shitter and makes the comparison irrelevant. Let's just say...

This guy brings the laughs, every day.

 

[HereticBD]

Now, do homicides.

No, no, no! Only nondescript "crimes" makes the comparison work.

 

[Loiosh]

Now, do homicides.

No, I'm tired of playing this stupid game with people who think black people are just bad. The causes never matter, all that matters is "fuck black people". The only acceptable solution is "imprison or execute black people".

 

[Misanthropist]

Ah, the poor excuses…look at poor immigrants from Asia, Africa and elsewhere. Their well behaved kids is all you need to know that it comes down to parenting.

 

[avenue94]

Let's say that one group is FAR smaller than the other, which throws your false equivalency statistics into the shitter and makes the comparison irrelevant. Let's just say...

How do percentages work? Did you not take stats?

 

[Bargey]

Expand social programs / after school programs
Raise minimum wage
Paid parental leave
Ease of access to childcare
Getting rid of red lining


Or the GOP solution:

Thoughts and prayers
Blame unrelated shit

Nothing to do with the OP but somehow a bunch of lemmings came in and liked your post. Go figure…

 

[skold]

Nothing to do with the OP but somehow a bunch of lemmings came in and liked your post. Go figure…

It's almost as if you didn't read the OP in full...
Go figure... fucking dumbass

 

[bufetadanacara]

Yeah ok buddy. Great solutions there, can't wait to see it in policy form. Run along now.

Great response, well thought out. More taxpayers' dollars- the solution to everything!

Tell me about all of your volunteer experience and charitable donations to youth centres. Please elaborate on how you've personally reached out to help "the community".

Oh wait, your idea was to spend other people's money, right.

Let's build a facilitiy for the youths, just to watch them vandalize and damage it. That's exactly what will happen because they haven't worked for it, they haven't earned it, so they won't respect it.

Throw all the money in the world at youths of this type, but it won't help. They've already been ruined by their earlier upbringing.

Surely you recall how easily influenced and impressionable your children were as toddlers. You've raised kids right? You know from experience right?

 

[Cajun]

Expand social programs / after school programs
Raise minimum wage
Paid parental leave
Ease of access to childcare
Getting rid of red lining


Or the GOP solution:

Thoughts and prayers
Blame unrelated shit

Yeah but its really the environment you raise the kids....

 

[skold]

Great response, well thought out. More taxpayers' dollars- the solution to everything!

Tell me about all of your volunteer experience and charitable donations to youth centres. Please elaborate on how you've personally reached out to help "the community".

Oh wait, your idea was to spend other people's money, right.

Let's build a facilitiy for the youths, just to watch them vandalize and damage it. That's exactly what will happen because they haven't worked for it, they haven't earned it, so they won't respect it.

Throw all the money in the world at youths of this type, but it won't help. They've already been ruined by their earlier upbringing.

Surely you recall how easily influenced and impressionable your children were as toddlers. You've raised kids right? You know from experience right?

You are going to pay taxes regardless, why does it bother you so much that it will be spent on improving the community?

 

[Cajun]

If you wanted to stop this sort of stuff you would have to have a system that didnt intentionally target the poor. Shit look at how the War on Drugs broke many families over low levels of possession for Marijuana. We cant intentionally make life harder for the poor, then expect the next generations to improve their lives. We have to decrease the wealth gap, and improve education if we want to see societal change. Other wise it will continue to be a perpetual cycle in the race to the bottom.

Yeah but you're only thinking about it in terms of the richest country on Earth. There are plenty of poor people everywhere. It comes down to how you raise them

 

[bufetadanacara]

You are going to pay taxes regardless, why does it bother you so much that it will be spent on improving the community?

You didn't respond to single thing I said. Nevertheless, I'll respond to you.

I want to pay less taxes, not more. I prefer my tax dollars are spent on something I can enjoy. Better roads, nice wide bicycle lanes, drainage projects to keep the rivers flowing and full of fish, lots of police and firefighters with great gear- things I can benefit from.

It doesn't bother me if my tax dollars go to help the community, but the particular "community" in question doesn't need more handouts. In fact, that's detrimental to their development. They need to wake up and realize that nobody is going to do it for them. They need to take matters into their own hands and take responsibility.

I know how possible it is. It's difficult, but very possible to get away from poverty and improve. My family is full of honest, respectful, and very hard working people. I think this is because we've earned what we have now and we are extremely grateful. We do not come from old money. My grandfather was an orphan who was thrown on a boat and sent here when he was 8. My wife grew up in a house with a dirt floor and no electricity for her first 7 years. We've worked for everything we've got- no handouts.

 

[DrDune]

No, I'm tired of playing this stupid game with people who think black people are just bad. The causes never matter, all that matters is "fuck black people". The only acceptable solution is "imprison or execute black people".

What a melodramatic response.

You’re right in one sense, policing certain areas tougher can keep certain crime statistics higher for one demographic.

But to the other persons point, homicide statistics really blow a hole in your theory. Over-policing certain areas won’t affect homicide statistics as they are universally reported and not subjective. If someone is killed, it’s going in the books no matter where it occurs.

The staggering difference in homicides per year, by race, can’t be ignored. The stats are the stats - whether you believe they’re being used to target black people or not. And unlike other crime statistics, homicide statistics are not subject to nearly as much police discretion or police presence as other crimes.

 

[skold]

You didn't respond to single thing I said. Nevertheless, I'll respond to you.

I want to pay less taxes, not more. I prefer my tax dollars are spent on something I can enjoy. Better roads, nice wide bicycle lanes, drainage projects to keep the rivers flowing and full of fish, lots of police and firefighters with great gear- things I can benefit from.

It doesn't bother me if my tax dollars go to help the community, but the particular "community" in question doesn't need more handouts. In fact, that's detrimental to their development. They need to wake up and realize that nobody is going to do it for them. They need to take matters into their own hands and take responsibility.

I know how possible it is. It's difficult, but very possible to get away from poverty and improve. My family is full of honest, respectful, and very hard working people. I think this is because we've earned what we have now and we are extremely grateful. We do not come from old money. My grandfather was an orphan who was thrown on a boat and sent here when he was 8. My wife grew up in a house with a dirt floor and no electricity for her first 7 years. We've worked for everything we've got- no handouts.

There's no point addressing empty waffle... pointing fingers and saying "do better" achieves nothing. Nor am I interested in personal anecdotes. The issue is systemic and therefore so must be the solutions.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Nah. I'm straight up against democracy anyways. There shouldn't be elections.

What government system would you like to see in charge out of interest?

 

[Loiosh]

What a melodramatic response.

You’re right in one sense, policing certain areas tougher can keep certain crime statistics higher for one demographic.

But to the other persons point, homicide statistics really blow a hole in your theory. Over-policing certain areas won’t affect homicide statistics as they are universally reported and not subjective. If someone is killed, it’s going in the books no matter where it occurs.

The staggering difference in homicides per year, by race, can’t be ignored. The stats are the stats - whether you believe they’re being used to target black people or not. And unlike other crime statistics, homicide statistics are not subject to nearly as much police discretion or police presence as other crimes.

If you want to discuss homicide specifically, here's my position.

Prosecute the symptoms to the fullest extent of the law but don't ignore the root disease. Address WHY it's a problem and maybe, just maybe, listen to what sociologists have to say about it.

I'm saying absolutely lock up murderers but don't just do that and call it a day.

 

[Day Drinking]

What government system would you like to see in charge out of interest?

An unelected parliament.