Opinion I've been saying it starts at home.

[Hellowhosthat]

The government should do less. The parents should do more. Also, liberal leaders and media outlets need to stop telling people they are victims entitled to free stuff and to throw a tantrum if they don't get it.

It's all well and good saying the parents should do more, but how do you make sure this happens?

 

[Jkillah]

Poverty is the number one determining factor on criminality. Not even sure what you are arguing here.. the ol "bootstraps" myth?

This simply isn't correct. Look at the many generations of people much poorer than those who are acting up today. Explain that.

 

[ShadowRun]

Poverty is the number one determining factor on criminality. Not even sure what you are arguing here.. the ol "bootstraps" myth?

Poverty it part of the ingredients, home , community, environment all is in okay. Tax dollars don’t magically fix it. More better trained cops in the community that can help break the cycle helps, community programs, church , school activities can help. But these can’t be excuses either they need to be inspired to do better and not allowed to have excuses there a middle there’s

 

[12ga.]

It's all well and good saying the parents should do more, but how do you make sure this happens?

It's not rocket science your reward good behavior and it will be done. So like maybe $500 extra month for the parents if their kids get all A's.

 

[skold]

It actually isn’t, although I’m not going to point out what is.

Go ahead

 

[emefer]

It was big government programs under FDR that brought this country out of the great republican depression brought on by the enormous greed of the “economic royalists” during the gilded age and created the strongest middle class this country has seen. Then we got Reagan.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

It's not rocket science your reward good behavior and it will be done. So like maybe $500 extra month for the parents if their kids get all A's.

That's actually a pretty good solution.

 

[LMP]

Mass incarceration, and pro-active, evidence-based policing is the obvious answer. I’m guessing whatever progressive publication you read has you believing it had to do with removing lead from gasoline and paint.

Mass incarceration didnt help for 20 year, then magically changed in the 90s? I like the theory of less youth less crime myself or increase in popularity of video games.

 

[Day Drinking]

Blame video games next

Pillory the parents for any infraction. Parents aren't being held accountable.

 

[emefer]

The government should do less. The parents should do more. Also, liberal leaders and media outlets need to stop telling people they are victims entitled to free stuff and to throw a tantrum if they don't get it.

Poor people don’t even have time to watch the media.

 

[LMP]

Blame video games next

As video games increased in popularity violent crime went down. We only saw an increase in violence due to shortages of video game consoles.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Poor people don’t even have time to watch the media.

Where do you get that idea?

 

[Jkillah]

It's all well and good saying the parents should do more, but how do you make sure this happens?

Discourage entitlement. Have the government give less benefits without getting something in return from those receiving benefits. Make good behavior a requirement. For example, if either the parent or their child commits a crime, then the parents lose some or all of their benefits. Don't spread messages of entitlement in public schools. Many schools are liberal indoctrination facilities that teach the youth that they are a victim and that the world owes them something. Have more civic leaders preach about self improvement and less about victimhood and entitlement.

More than anything though, parents will need to choose to be better. If parents refuse, then there isn't a lot of hope. Only the real exceptional cases will break the cycle. The people who are naturally self driven.

 

[12ga.]

That's actually a pretty good solution.

problem is our society loves negative reenforement like prisons which cost 80k a year

 

[Gutter Chris]

Maybe or maybe not we need those things, but that isn't why they are shitty parents and are raising I'll mannered kids. It's their attitude, actions, and values not their poverty that is causing that. You can be much much poorer than them and still not act like that.

The great depression didn't produce kids like that. Pioneer days didn't produce kids like that. Stop blaming this on poverty.

Alright fine let's blame it on the shitty parents. Now that we have established who's at fault here what do we do with the children born to shitty parents so they don't become thugs? Any ideas besides platitudes and anecdotes?

 

[Day Drinking]

Alright fine let's blame it on the shitty parents. Now that we have established who's at fault here what do we do with the children born to shitty parents so they don't become thugs? Any ideas besides platitudes and anecdotes?

Carrot and stick. Shitty parents are still people, and are behave based on motivations like anyone else.

Parents get 100 bucks for every quarterly grade at 92% or above.

Parents of minor criminals get pilloried.

Worth noting that I wouldn't make them mutually exclusive. That way if a kid commits a crime, there is still incentive for the grades.

 

[Jkillah]

That's actually a pretty good solution.

I don't think this is a bad solution, but I think negative reenforcement works better.

I'm not saying that just because I'm a heartless person, I think there are actually studies that show negative reinforcement is a bigger motivator. We remember things that sting more than things that feel good. Fear is usually a bigger motivator than a reward. People are more likely to act if you threaten to take away $500 vs give $500 IMO, because the consequences are greater.

If possible though, don't make the negative reinforcement so severe that it removes a parent from the household or makes them employable. That's one of the bigger problems with mass incerceration.

I would be in favor of reducing benefits to parents if their child gets arrested, suspended, expelled, or drops out of school.

 

[White Whale]

This was talked about in the video below. They talk about solutions to fix it.

 

[Super_Nintendo]

Those poor kids never had a chance.

 

[Snackbar]

Authority has gone to shit. Government, police, military etc all demand respect but don't act respectable to anyone, especially minorities.

Can you blame the little man? He has probably seen more family members hauled away by these cops in his short life that most of us ever would. I would want my kids to view my oppressors the same way.

But Republicans will say it's a problem with "those people", and Democrats will push harder for easier abortion access because brown abortions are their favorite.