Opinion I've been saying it starts at home.

[Deorum]

Most kids are still not like that because most parents are piles of shit, surprising as that may be.

We still need more money for them programs, though, because that will somehow make garbage parents have class.

Word.

It was quite an epiphany when I came to realize how well I was actually raised. Like yeah, there's basic shit such as common courtesy, discipline and manners to be taught but parents also need to be giving them undivided attention, engaging their innate interests and cultivating others, incentivizing good behavior and rewarding performance. I didn't grow up in an "extended family" per se but everybody was close by and always around, huge cookouts together all the time.

We went to church every week; they took me camping, fishing, hunting, off-roading, shooting, to sprint car races. My childhood "leisure" time was always active, usually outdoors and fucking awesome IMO. I would often go with my dad to help on carpentry, masonry and roofing side projects he was doing. This dude taught me life skills, mechanical skills, outdoors survival skills, self-defense skills. He instilled self-reliance and an indomitable work ethic.

 

[salamander]

George Floyd was dead long before the coward Chauvin murdered him. I'm not exactly sure when he died but it was probably around the time he kicked a door in and put a gun to a pregnant belly. He was dead in the sense that his spirituality no longer informed his conscience, all he had was learned animalism that made him a Champion Fuckboi and a pestilence upon his community. People who live like fuckbois generally die like one. His lifestye wasn't sustainable at any age, but at 40(?) he was nearing Lost Cause territory.

So the best time to prevent a future Floyd is during the formative years, but there first needs to be type of cultural revival, a popular organic movement that purges the demonic spirit in broken cultural mores among poor black trash that drives the conduct of those feral omode wylin' in that video. Something that transcends the limiting strictures of the left/right paradigm that seems to be the recommended default setting for a plantation mindset.

Without a spiritual fix any other solution can only be a half-measure at best.

It's not mere bias that has me convinced that only a spiritual fix can break the generational curse that afflicts poor individuals, their families and entire communities. Factually, statically, historically, however you want to state it, Africans and Stolen Africans are, and have always been an inherently spiritual people. And so, too many of us suffer for wilfully buying into some desiccated version of the North American capitalist imperative at the expense of that spiritual heritage.

I look at the Indigenous Natives around my way. The ones in my social orbit are always on their heathen shit, and it seems to help them with the issues that they struggle with. They burnish their spirituality through healing lodges, ceremonies, tobacco magic, storytelling, ancestor worship, drum circles, and even wildcrafting. They break their generational curse by reshaping or reclaiming their identity through nurturing and maintenancing their spiritual heritage.

Hopefully soon a type of awakening can arise among those in my kindred cohort, particularly the amongst the Omode who need it most.

 

[So Fresh]

The should just pull themself up by their bootstraps.

 

[So Fresh]

George Floyd was dead long before the coward Chauvin murdered him. I'm not exactly sure when he died but it was probably around the time he kicked a door in and put a gun to a pregnant belly. He was dead in the sense that his spirituality no longer informed his conscience, all he had was learned animalism that made him a Champion Fuckboi and a pestilence upon his community. People who live like fuckbois generally die like one. His lifestye wasn't sustainable at any age, but at 40(?) he was nearing Lost Cause territory.

So the best time to prevent a future Floyd is during the formative years, but there first needs to be type of cultural revival, a popular organic movement that purges the demonic spirit in broken cultural mores among poor black trash that drives the conduct of those feral omode wylin' in that video. Something that transcends the limiting strictures of the left/right paradigm that seems to be the recommended default setting for a plantation mindset.

Without a spiritual fix any other solution can only be a half-measure at best.

It's not mere bias that has me convinced that only a spiritual fix can break the generational curse that afflicts poor individuals, their families and entire communities. Factually, statically, historically, however you want to state it, Africans and Stolen Africans are, and have always been an inherently spiritual people. And so, too many of us suffer for wilfully buying into some desiccated version of the North American capitalist imperative at the expense of that spiritual heritage.

I look at the Indigenous Natives around my way. The ones in my social orbit are always on their heathen shit, and it seems to help them with the issues that they struggle with. They burnish their spirituality through healing lodges, ceremonies, tobacco magic, storytelling, ancestor worship, drum circles, and even wildcrafting. They break their generational curse by reshaping or reclaiming their identity through nurturing and maintenancing their spiritual heritage.

Hopefully soon a type of awakening can arise among those in my kindred cohort, particularly the amongst the Omode who need it most.

Why are you always bringing up George Floyd and BLM. It’s kinda strange bruh.

 

[So Fresh]

Ah yes the children before 1960s were so well behaved

 

[Culombo]

parents parents .. starts with the parents .. but then you have to ask why are the parents like that themselves .. vicious cycle .. and it doesn't help when the media is constantly fueling divisiveness ... you ever notice that the msm never shows good will stories ... and if they do, it's so infrequent barely anyone sees it or notices .. they treat the good will stories like novelties .. they should be showing more good natured stories than the bad news .. but well I guess that's not what sells I don't know or there are just more bad stories than good stories? I don't know

 

[So Fresh]

Ah yes the well behaved youth living before the 1960s

Gangs and youth groups have existed since at least the Middle Ages. Accounts from England in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries describe criminal gangs that robbed, extorted, and raped. In France, England, and Germany, medieval juvenile groups known as abbeys of misrule participated in violent sports and fights against rival groups in honor of the abbeys from which they were recruited. Other youth groups rioted and intimidated deviant villagers, and were sanctioned by adults for enforcing the social order. In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, English gangs wore colored ribbons to mark their allegiances, battled rivals, and terrorized communities. In the American colonies, people complained about troublesome groups who caroused, fought, and stole, as well.

In the postwar period, American youth gangs were a major social dilemma on the streets and in the public consciousness. In the 1950s gangs were characterized by their ethnic and racial affiliations, their control of territory, and their greater use of violence against rivals.
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ah yes more signs of well behaved children:

In 1904, G. Stanley Hall published his book, Adolescence: Its psychology and its relations to physiology, anthropology, sociology, sex, crime, religion, and education, Vol 1. Through his research, Hall found a stark difference between crime rate, age, and gender, with a “marked increase of crime [committed] at the age of twelve to fourteen,” (Hall 1904).
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And yes those horrible 1960s

Spoiler

However, by the mid-1960s, adolescent gang activities slowed. Gang intervention programs and public policy did much to disrupt gangs. Scholars also suggest that political involvement in civil rights issues and the anti-war movement drew many youths away from gang participation, or redirected gang activities into militant groups like the Black Panthers. Moreover, the increased use of DRUGS such as heroin by gang members destroyed gang cohesion and created loose drug subcultures in its place.

edit: i dont know why my text is crossed out but it is what it is

 

[DizzyKronic]

Those little cunts need their asses whooped.

 

[tastaylvr]

Word.

It was quite an epiphany when I came to realize how well I was actually raised. Like yeah, there's basic shit such as common courtesy, discipline and manners to be taught but parents also need to be giving them undivided attention, engaging their innate interests and cultivating others, incentivizing good behavior and rewarding performance. I didn't grow up in an "extended family" per se but everybody was close by and always around, huge cookouts together all the time.

Same here lol never realised how lucky I was until i was more mature

I remember my mum telling me only date girls with good parents

I always brushed that shit off but shit has never been wrong yet lol

Most the shit your parents say always end up correct somehow

 

[SanchoMF]

There's literally no fucking use to throw money at this type of problematic behaviour, if throwing money at the problem doesn't fix the baseline, which is the fact that the values of these kids were handed down by their parents, who probably got it again from theirs.
The generic liberal mantra of today (and yesterday) has been to fix the shit through expensive social programs and financial allocations, but that has been more or less done for the past 50 years or so and the system that is at place to oversee and guard these programs is rotten and corrupt to the core, encouraging nothing but pushing for more programs and clientelism, instead of actually fixing the problems.
Simply solutions for simple people, that's all there is.

 

[Seano]

Expand social programs / after school programs
Raise minimum wage
Paid parental leave
Ease of access to childcare
Getting rid of red lining


Or the GOP solution:

Thoughts and prayers
Blame unrelated shit

As if these parents actually work.

 

[Seano]

double

 

[So Fresh]

Simply solutions by simple people, that's all there is.

Fixed that for ya

 

[SanchoMF]

Fixed that for ya

Wow, what an amazing argument !
Seriously though, stop trying to hoard pets and mascots to offset your self-hatred.

 

[So Fresh]

Wow, what an amazing argument !
Seriously though, stop trying to hoard pets and mascots to offset your self-hatred.

It was a simple argument for simple people

 

[SanchoMF]

It was a simple argument for simple people

Made by a total simpleton.

 

[So Fresh]

Made by a total simpleton.

 

[milkmandanl]

I like how people can view an obvious case of horrible parenting and pull it back into the abstract and make it about the drug war.

There’s lots of single mothers out there, the majority of them don’t have toddlers that are actual thugs

Best post ITT

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Expand social programs / after school programs
Raise minimum wage
Paid parental leave
Ease of access to childcare
Getting rid of red lining


Or the GOP solution:

Thoughts and prayers
Blame unrelated shit

Higher paid teachers and more classrooms to lower the student teacher ratio to between 10 and 15 instead of 25 to 30.

You're absolutely right on the others too. But idiots don't want to invest in any of these things. They'd rather to continue supporting tax cuts for the rich because muh job creators

 

[Codpiece]

Expand social programs / after school programs
Raise minimum wage
Paid parental leave
Ease of access to childcare
Getting rid of red lining


Or the GOP solution:

Thoughts and prayers
Blame unrelated shit

Social/after school programs - absolutely not. A single parent household is bad, but one where a parent or parents give their children away to another person to raise them is worse. Although I think you hit on a partial solution with your later points.

Raise minimum wage - would definitely help, but would need to be buttressed with legislation that incentivised small and medium sized business to retain employees rather than automate, to ensure employees are retained despite greater cost.

I’d actually prefer this in combination with some mechanism of reducing maximum earning capacity to eliminate the accrual of hyper-wealth as that would make the lower wages worth more in a relative sense longer term.

Paid parental leave - my wife was able to take a full year at half pay for all our kids. She did this with a few months of paid parental leave then used her own stores leave entitlements. This is a huge benefit to the kids and helps cement the relationship between child and mother.

Paid parental leave for a few months, with the option to take longer with a lower pay amount has serious merit. I also think that this, combined with a review of minimum wage, has the potential to reduce the need for after school programs and child care. Which means parents would actually be actually able to raise their own kids and focus on them - the best scenario.

Access to child care - think I’d want more detail on what you think this looks like before commenting too much. I know what child care access looks like in Australia and I see some parents use childcare as a way to give their kids social skills and contact with other kids, whilst others use it as a means to “get rid of their kids for the day” (not my words). Since IMO one of the biggest issues with child behaviour is that some parents want someone else to raise their kids and then don’t know them and can’t discipline them, I think too much child care can be a bad thing, Increasing minimum wage to allow a parent to stay home more often with the kids can help with this, but the parents have to be committed too. My brother has three kids, all in child care 6:30am to 6pm daily and his wife doesn’t even work! I have no idea why you’d have kids if you just want to give them to someone else from 6 months old….

In terms of dealing with the cost of childcare, the Australian solution has been to subsidise the cost as opposed to capping the price, which has done nothing to reduce the cost of childcare. So I’d want a better understanding of the US system before agreeing or disagreeing.

Get rid of red lining - depends what you mean. I do t know that I blame a financial institution for not wanting to assume risk for an asset insured in a high risk neighbourhood. Price gouging, sure. Can you give some examples of what you’d like to see eliminated (pardon my naïveté, this isn’t so prevalent where I’m from)?


If the GOP is to represent conservatives properly then they do need some policy alternatives, because most conservatives I know don’t only think “thoughts and prayers” are the solution.