its all skill baby!!!! never forget that!!

ROcknrollracing said:
Not in modern rule sets no it isn’t.

In no time limits it would be much more important.
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Still is. The shortest matches are 5 minutes straight, which is longer than a 1500 m race lasts - and that's already 80% aerobic and 20% anaerobic in terms of energy systems. The more you can step on the throttle without going into anaerobic, the better.
 
period said:
Yes, because you need to measure the velocity. No gym I've ever been to had the gear for that.
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You can measure by distance thrown s well. Baseball is 5 ounces a if you throw it 300 feet it is roughly 85-90 mph
 
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ROcknrollracing said:
Wilder would knock out a prime Tyson in a heartbeat. Tyson lost to buster Douglas and any other real competion he faced. An aged Larry Holmes.
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People forget that after the Tyson fight... Larry went undefeated for another 5 years winning another championship.
 
period said:
Still is. The shortest matches are 5 minutes straight, which is longer than a 1500 m race lasts - and that's already 80% aerobic and 20% anaerobic in terms of energy systems. The more you can step on the throttle without going into anaerobic, the better.
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It actually isn’t 5 minutes of continuous action it more like a series of short sprints.

The rules force you to fight that way.

Look up what the Gracie’s opinion on what and why some of them dislike it and that is a main reason the rounds.
 
ROcknrollracing said:
You can measure by distance thrown s well. Barbell is 5 ounces nd if you throw it 300 feet it is roughly 85-90 mph
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That weight is arbitrary, and that big of a distance seems unneccessary. I seem to recall that Tsatsouline quoted some Russian boxing manual recommending the shot put as an exercise though; I think they called for something like 12 m with the standard 7.26 kg shot.
 
ROcknrollracing said:
It actually isn’t 5 minutes of continuous action it more like a series of short sprints.

The rules force you to fight that way.

Look up what the Gracie’s opinion on what and why some of them dislike it and that is a main reason the rounds.
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Which is essentially intervals or Fartlek, which is again how middle distance runners train. Strictly speaking, the rules don't force that, nor do they force the length of the "sprints", the opponent does. Plus a there is a rule of thumb in wrestling (not sure how well it applies to other combat sports) that reacting takes twice as much energy as acting; so if fighter A can keep fighter B on his heels the whole time, fighter B will break first, even if their conditioning is equal.
Besides, without good conditioning, one will never be able to handle the same volume of skill specific training, which in turn means ones technique will lag behind its potential.
 
period said:
Which is essentially intervals or Fartlek, which is again how middle distance runners train. Strictly speaking, the rules don't force that, nor do they force the length of the "sprints", the opponent does. Plus a there is a rule of thumb in wrestling (not sure how well it applies to other combat sports) that reacting takes twice as much energy as acting; so if fighter A can keep fighter B on his heels the whole time, fighter B will break first, even if their conditioning is equal.
Besides, without good conditioning, one will never be able to handle the same volume of skill specific training, which in turn means ones technique will lag behind its potential.
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No if you can keep a much stronger powerful person in guard for a very long length of time there is higher probability of actually beating the stronger person. Just look up the old Helio matches.

That’s the skill keeping the stronger person in guard now imagine being well versed in guard and being stronger by all metrics than your opponent and you’ve got a monster.

Yes I would agree sport specific training is number 1 and you do develop the appropriate conditioning from doing so. It is however nearly universal now that you have to go outside of SPP into GPP to be highly competitive.

Chad Wesley smith had the perfect analogy one time he said he could beat blue belts and some purple belts for the simple fact he was stronger on a barbell but at a certain level that wouldn’t matter anymore. I agree with that statement.
 
ROcknrollracing said:
No if you can keep a much stronger powerful person in guard for a very long length of time there is higher probability of actually beating the stronger person. Just look up the old Helio matches.

That’s the skill keeping the stronger person in guard now imagine being well versed in guard and being stronger by all metrics than your opponent and you’ve got a monster.
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Having a person in your closed guard is traditionally regarded as being in the better position in BJJ, meaning you are active, they are struggling to defend your sweeps and submissions. Now, with G&P and guard passing ability improved, that isn't necessarily true anymore (at least not in MMA), but that's another story.
 
I love how we go through these cycles of @ROcknrollracing trying to act like an expert at something. Not long ago, it was lifting and then everyone pointed out how much stagnation is going on with his own training. Now he bought a heavy bag and is talking about fighting, even though he doesn't fight or train anyone. I'd love to know where on the mail route these nuggets of knowledge are gained.
 
Oblivian said:
I love how we go through these cycles of @ROcknrollracing trying to act like an expert at something. Not long ago, it was lifting and then everyone pointed out how much stagnation is going on with his own training. Now he bought a heavy bag and is talking about fighting, even though he doesn't fight or train anyone. I'd love to know where on the mail route these nuggets of knowledge are gained.
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throughout all of these cycles ive never paid much attention to you. There is a reason I have you on ignore.

I have zero to little respect for you on here and that is a short list of people
 
Oblivian said:
I love how we go through these cycles of @ROcknrollracing trying to act like an expert at something. Not long ago, it was lifting and then everyone pointed out how much stagnation is going on with his own training. Now he bought a heavy bag and is talking about fighting, even though he doesn't fight or train anyone. I'd love to know where on the mail route these nuggets of knowledge are gained.
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Sherdog's a real life Cliff Clavin.
 
ROcknrollracing said:
Then just the other day John jones said he would have to give his all to beat Mighty Mouse. The fact that Mighty Mouse is that much more skilled than jones tells you all you need to know.

It will all sink in just give it some time.
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You really should move away from fight discussion. Jones is even more skilled than MM. He would beat him 100 out of 100. He is almosy double his size while being the better fighter. People will say they are equal in skill but regardless the size dif is huge.

Just you taking that statement literal and no Jones making a compliment shows how you don't know much bout fighting.
 
Skill and athleticism do go hand in hand.
When you train skill you also train sport specific athleticism by doing the reps.

Ok let's make a can of worms here. I know the phrase is open.

Did you go to a meet or will you to 1500 ?
Did you find someone to do your amateure fight ?

If we talk shit let's entirely shit into this.
 
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