Crime Israel gets an expedited 4 billion from US government

[kflo]

Don't know off the top of my head, which is why I only said a lot, not most, or all, or X amount. The US has tended to exempt Israel (as it does with some other countries now and then) from the usage requirements for weapons.

As I noted and you ignored, a substantial part of US military support for Israel comes via credits and grants ahead of purchases. Israel also benefits from being able to use those credits on domestic purchases, which other countries tend to be banned from doing.

There's no way to credibly argue that Israel does not receive more favorable military aid terms than nearly any other US ally.

This is what you said:

“Israel sure as shit isn't purchasing $4 billion in arms at the same cost we would quote most countries.”

and you’ve provided nothing to substantiate it. We now agree that the purchases through FMS, which is the largest source, are indeed at the same cost.

 

[avenue94]

“Israel sure as shit isn't purchasing $4 billion in arms at the same cost we would quote most countries.”

Has Israel's conduct in this latest war aligned with FMS standards? I've also noted that Israel is allowed to use FMS grants in ways other countries can't. Are you disputing that?

You don't seem to realize that most of current US aid to Israel is in the form of grants, not actual physical sales. Israel gest to double dip because not only do they get access to arms sales in volumes (lower costs as a result) and quality that other countries don't get, but they also don't need to take out loans or pay any interest on purchases that would have otherwise had to be borrowed for at worse rates given Israel was downgraded last year.

 

[kflo]

Has Israel's conduct in this latest war aligned with FMS standards? I've also noted that Israel is allowed to use FMS grants in ways other countries can't. Are you disputing that?

You don't seem to realize that most of current US aid to Israel is in the form of grants, not actual physical sales. Israel gest to double dip because not only do they get access to arms sales in volumes (lower costs as a result) and quality that other countries don't get, but they also don't need to take out loans or pay any interest on purchases that would have otherwise had to be borrowed for at worse rates given Israel was downgraded last year.

Again you are not addressing the specific comment you made. You can make other points but that doesn’t make your other statement correct. Feel free to reframe it. as you’re trying to do now.

 

[Rational Poster]

Yeah but this current coalition clearly doesn’t give a fuck about us or our democracy. They prioritize MAGA over their own hostages.

The rampant settlements are unjustified entirely. The Obama approach of doing the bare minimum is pragmatic and better. Until Mertez or Hadaash leaders get elected as PM, I don’t see a point in supporting Israel like we did.

I mean you can put whatever toppings you want on these two shit sandwiches you'd like, I'm still going to pick the shit sandwich that doesn't end in the spread of illiberal jihadi states.

We actually seem to be turning a corner on that issue, say what you want about Israel, they absolutely knocked the shit out of Hezbollah which ended up being the final straw for the Russian backed Assad regime. And they knocked the shit out of Iran as well, who is actively supplying the Russians. We now have for the first time in decades a situation where Russia can not easily directly arm these jihad groups.

Israel broke Russia's back in the middle east and we might actually see peace a lasting peace in the region without the constant deluge of Russian arms through Syrian ports. I was alive when Russia was supplying the Saddam regime to bully all their neighbors at our and the world's expense.

 

[filthybliss]

I mean you can put whatever toppings you want on these two shit sandwiches you'd like, I'm still going to pick the shit sandwich that doesn't end in the spread of illiberal jihadi states.

We actually seem to be turning a corner on that issue, say what you want about Israel, they absolutely knocked the shit out of Hezbollah which ended up being the final straw for the Russian backed Assad regime. And they knocked the shit out of Iran as well, who is actively supplying the Russians.

Israel broke Russia's back in the middle east and we might actually see peace a lasting peace in the region without the constant deluge of Russian arms through Syrian ports. I was alive when Russia was supplying the Saddam regime to bully all their neighbors at our and the world's expense.

Yeah, Bibi refuses to condemn Russia and he is war mongering with the new Syrian Regime. So what’s the point about tearing down Assad. For fucks sake, even China didn’t side with Russia at the UN.

Also, Israel did leak Russia information before as well. We should treat them more like Turkey instead of our greatest ally.

Did Israel Help Spark the Russia-Georgia War in 2008?

Fresh documents released by WikiLeaks raise new questions about the five-day war between Russia and Georgia in 2008. In particular, the role of Israel and its involvement in providing military intelligence to Russia in the run-up to war.

www.theatlantic.com

Israel Said to Be Source of Secret Intelligence Trump Gave to Russians (Published 2017)

The revelation adds a potential diplomatic complication to an episode that has renewed questions about how the White House handles sensitive intelligence.

www.nytimes.com

We also armed Saddam as well. We should have punted him out in the 70s when he was gassing Kurds…Yet, we jerked off until 9/11 happened to stop him.

 

[avenue94]

Again you are not addressing the specific comment you made. You can make other points but that doesn’t make your other statement correct. Feel free to reframe it. as you’re trying to do now.

Can you think of a comparable arms deal in size and scope that we would benchmark against?

 

[Rational Poster]

Yeah, Bibi refuses to condemn Russia and he is war mongering with new Syrian Regime. So what’s the point about tearing down Assad. For fucks sake, even China didn’t side with Russia at the UN.

I don't mind if the Israelis don't publicly condemn Russia for as long as they please if their actions in private are completely dismantling their international arms supply to the middle east like they've been doing.

 

[filthybliss]

I don't mind if the Israelis don't publicly condemn Russia for as long as they please if their actions in private are completely dismantling their international arms supply to the middle east like they've been doing.

BruG, you must be a boomer. This fetish for Israel is weird if you are a democrat even Chuck Schuemer is sick of it lmao

 

[Bia]

don't like this

 

[evergreenrider]

Israel admits to "immense" amount of "friendly fire" on 7 October

Army's rejection of an investigation appears to be a cover up.

electronicintifada.net

 

[ShinkanPo]

They wont say shit about this except i disagree.


The reason they oppose Ukraine aid is because they want Russia to win

Its simple they support jeynoside.

 

[Hog-train]

Trump on Ukraine: No more weapons for you! Give Putin everything he wants!

Trump on Israel: Unlimited military support for decades! Give Netanyahu everything he wants!

You know for a fact both Putin and Netanyahu were celebrating Trump winning the election.