Crime Israel gets an expedited 4 billion from US government

[filthybliss]

i support israel's right to defend itself and try to ensure hamas isn't a threat going forward. and hopefully break the cycle that's been even worse for the people of gaza.

i support the israeli government (which isn't just likud) over the governing body of gaza.

Or you could just support neither and just your country. There isn't a good side in this war. It is between a corrupt con-man Netanyahu and a jihadist group. They both thrive off eachothers shit.

 

[Dalarna3]

 

[Scerpi]

We shouldn’t give them a fucking penny more

Just leave it there...

 

[WklySportsMemes]

"Arms sales" . Who cares? May as well make money on our surplus.

I dont think you understand how the aid part works or you are intentionally plugging your ears. Did you read the article?

YOU cared about tax dollars funding Ukraine war. You made many posts calling it out.

Right wrong or indifferent we aid Isreal's war to the tune of around 4 billion dollars a year.

"The United States provided Israel considerable economic assistance from 1971 to 2007, but nearly all U.S. aid today goes to support Israel’s military, the most advanced in the region. The United States has provisionally agreed via a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to provide Israel with $3.8 billion per year through 2028. "

If your true justifications & logic were as simple as saying you don't want tax dollars to fund foreign wars there would be no difference.

 

[Scerpi]

People are upset israel is buying weapons from usa ?

Im no fan of israel. But usa is a arms dealer.... this is what you guys do and have done for ages.

Hell certain industries were were still selling to nazi germany during ww2.

Before the attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, the United States did sell weapons and other strategic materials to Japan, despite Japan being involved in conflicts with China.

Id prefer if you didnt arm and fund some of the more heinous elements but thats just usas business model. You do it constantly. And often end up going to war against elements of your own equipment .

Saudi. Iraq. Iran. Uae. Morroco israel syria lybya etc all places that us sold weapons openly.

Theres far more disturbing groups funded and armed by usa than just the nations buying weapons openly tho. And u often end up fighting them as well. Cia trained and funded groups often become your enemies . Sadly i wont be shocked to see a similar outcome for elements in ukraine.


Im all for critism of how usa has protected and enabled bibi to maintain power and not just maintain it but Increase power for the fucked up elements..... ( west bank settlers etc )

Selling them weapons? Its just another day that ends with y in terms of us arms dealing.

Ahh... Are we giving them $4 billion or are they purchasing $4 billion worth of military equipment?

Big difference. The OP insinuates we're handing them aid... not selling it to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the OP got it wrong. He' a moron

 

[Spam On Rye]

The anti semite label has been used so much by so many people for all kind of different reasons throughout the years that it lost much of it's meaning.

I remember being called an anti semite when criticizing some of Ariel Sharon policies in the early 2000's even though my ex-ex-ex gf at the time was Jewish and had family from her mother side in Israel. It's a very easy but empty first line of defense.

Now there are definitively real anti semites. I think the Iranians mullahs shitheads would certainly qualify for that. Skinheads and neo nazis as well

Agreed there definitely are but there's a great lack of supply compared to the coverage it gets in the West at least. They're not lurking around every corner like some spergs on here think.

 

[Rational Poster]

Ahh... Are we giving them $4 billion or are they purchasing $4 billion worth of military equipment?

Big difference. The OP insinuates we're handing them aid... not selling it to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the OP got it wrong. He' a moron

We give Israel money that they have to spend with US arms manufacturers.

 

[Anewt]

Ahh... Are we giving them $4 billion or are they purchasing $4 billion worth of military equipment?

Big difference. The OP insinuates we're handing them aid... not selling it to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the OP got it wrong. He' a moron

Yeah op is .... selective is th kindest way to put it i think....

From the article he includes.. its all sales based

Rubio says Trump has approved $12 billion in arms sales to Israel since taking office, claiming Biden had imposed a ‘partial arms embargo’ on Israel.

The statement came a day after the top US diplomat announced he would waive congressional review to fast-track $3 billion worth of arms sales to Israel, including armored bulldozers withheld by Biden over concern Israel was using them to raze homes in Gaza. The IDF has said it demolished homes that had been used by Hamas.

 

[Domitian]

Morally, I don't see a reason to support that country. They can't even keep their own terrorists accountable on the West Bank.

Emotions and feelings aren't going to help keep America at the top of the global pyramid.

 

[Scerpi]

Yeah op is .... selective is th kindest way to put it i think....

From the article he includes.. its all sales based

Rubio says Trump has approved $12 billion in arms sales to Israel since taking office, claiming Biden had imposed a ‘partial arms embargo’ on Israel.

The statement came a day after the top US diplomat announced he would waive congressional review to fast-track $3 billion worth of arms sales to Israel, including armored bulldozers withheld by Biden over concern Israel was using them to raze homes in Gaza. The IDF has said it demolished homes that had been used by Hamas.

Hmmm...

Kind of kills the narrative then. Sales isn't aid

 

[filthybliss]

Emotions and feelings aren't going to help keep America at the top of the global pyramid.

I see so just kill them all for the sake of global dominance. There is not a moral redline lol

 

[filthybliss]

Hmmm...

Kind of kills the narrative then. Sales isn't aid

you are a fucking hypocrite lmao

for all the shitting that you do with ukraine, you should hate israel for meddling in so much of our politics. but you get off to muslims dying so you shut up.

 

[Domitian]

I see so just kill them all for the sake of global dominance. There is not a moral redline lol

Do you think other nations with aspirations of global dominance care about morals?

Sometimes you have to do bad things to counter other people who do bad things. Israel is a benefit to our nation, not a liability.

 

[Bob Sagat]

Emotions and feelings aren't going to help keep America at the top of the global pyramid.

israel doesn't help us at all
they steal our secrets and sell our weapons, they infest our government and bribe our politicians

we need to dig out every zionist leech and throw them out of the country

 

[Rational Poster]

Hmmm...

Kind of kills the narrative then. Sales isn't aid

He almost figured out that almost all US foreign aid is actually direct sales to US owned corporations.

 

[avenue94]

Ahh... Are we giving them $4 billion or are they purchasing $4 billion worth of military equipment?

Big difference. The OP insinuates we're handing them aid... not selling it to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the OP got it wrong. He' a moron

Some is purchased (both at market rate and subsidized rates), and some is in the form of credits or loans that were forgiven. Israel sure as shit isn't purchasing $4 billion in arms at the same cost we would quote most countries.

Also going to point out that the biggest issue with arm sales to Israel is that they can afford them more than most countries we prop up. You can't seriously argue that a nuclear power somehow needs help procuring basic munitions.

 

[filthybliss]

Do you think other nations with aspirations of global dominance care about morals?

Sometimes you have to do bad things to counter other people who do bad things. Israel is a benefit to our nation, not a liability.

"Bad things".....Like displacing a million people. Seriously, man. We could work with Abbas to actually foment a two state solution and get two allies out of this instead of just letting Israel run amok.

I understand that China and Russia have no standards but I want my country to be better than them. I hold them to a higher moral standard than those two dictatorship hellholes. The U.S. had not much to gain in intervening in Yugoslavia but we did the right thing, we should have intervened earlier if anything.

Likewise, we put the brakes on Turkey when we found out about the torture of Kurds....Though, it would have been easier to just let Turkey run amok.

 

[kflo]

Some is purchased (both at market rate and subsidized rates), and some is in the form of credits or loans that were forgiven. Israel sure as shit isn't purchasing $4 billion in arms at the same cost we would quote most countries.

Also going to point out that the biggest issue with arm sales to Israel is that they can afford them more than most countries we prop up. You can't seriously argue that a nuclear power somehow needs help procuring basic munitions.

this says otherwise:

America's Arms Sales Policy: Security Abroad, Not Jobs at Home

Announcing an impressive, if overstated, $110 billion worth of arms deals with Saudi Arabia last year, President Donald Trump made clear the primary

warontherocks.com

The United States sells most of its weapons through its Foreign Military Sales program, which essentially adds foreign orders onto preexisting ones for U.S. forces. Foreign Military Sales plays an unheralded role in global anticorruption efforts, since clients pay the same price as the U.S. military, and most of the contracting is handled by the Department of Defense. Because the combined domestic and international orders tend to be large, economies of scale also drive down the cost for foreign clients, which makes for an attractive value proposition, even with many American strings attached.

 

[Domitian]

"Bad things".....Like displacing a million people. Seriously, man. We could work with Abbas to actually foment a two state solution and get two allies out of this instead of just letting Israel run amok.

I understand that China and Russia have no standards but I want my country to be better than them. I hold them to a higher moral standard than those two dictatorship hellholes. The U.S. had not much to gain in intervening in Yugoslavia but we did the right thing, we should have intervened earlier if anything.

Likewise, we put the brakes on Turkey when we found out about the torture of Kurds....Though, it would have been easier to just let Turkey run amok.

A two state solution is a pipe dream. It's never going to happen. Neither side wants it. They will just keep warring with each other forever. In past history, when a nation won it was allowed to actually win. Israel has never been allowed to win because of these morality standards you hold so dear.

Morality is a useless concept when it comes to the context of power.

 

[kflo]

"Bad things".....Like displacing a million people. Seriously, man. We could work with Abbas to actually foment a two state solution and get two allies out of this instead of just letting Israel run amok.

I understand that China and Russia have no standards but I want my country to be better than them. I hold them to a higher moral standard than those two dictatorship hellholes. The U.S. had not much to gain in intervening in Yugoslavia but we did the right thing, we should have intervened earlier if anything.

Likewise, we put the brakes on Turkey when we found out about the torture of Kurds....Though, it would have been easier to just let Turkey run amok.

what authority does abbas have with hamas in gaza?