damn you beat me too it i tweaked a few things
How will the 'Milan' ATGM fare against IS MBTs?
damn you beat me too it i tweaked a few things
How will the 'Milan' ATGM fare against IS MBTs?
the missile can avoid most countermeasures (flares and chaff). the trade off it short range and a damn good missle. And against the tanks in that region ? man they'd toast the bastards
im gonna guess its the MILAN ER which has the range extended
german supplies for kurds arrive
8000 Assault Rifles G3
8000 G36 Assault Rifles
40 MG3 machine guns
8000 pistols P1
30 "Milan" -ATGM with 500 missiles
200 rocket-propelled grenades (type "three") http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust_3
40 heavy bazookas
10,000 hand grenades
100 signal pistols
-I don't see anything wrong with that sentence.
Even if they negotiate the central government should know exactly who they're dealing with.
-and likewise if you think sunni's are angels who never did a bad deed to anyone.
I'm just saying they are not rebelling in a way that one would normally expect. They are joining a genocidal death cult.
-They are killing shia, kurds, christians, yazidi's etc. You still fail to account for that. If their grievances are against the central government, then why are they murdering kurds?
Oh please.
You want to talk about cranking up the violence you should pay attention to the relentless terrorism that the sunni's brought about before and after maliki. You still fail to account for that, and you whitewash sunni terrorism as "low level violence"; as though relentless car bombings were just every day punch ups.
I just have little sympathy for them after that. So they're under-represented - boo hoo. They should count themselves lucky that they weren't kurdish or shia during Saddam's time.
-They are interchangeable depending on who's paying them.
If they are using ISIS terror as a bargaining chip then they are ISIS, and should be treated as such.
and of course you're privvy to the negotiations :icon_lol:
As with any negotiation there will be back and forth. As the sunni's are not in a strong bargaining position I very much doubt they will get as much as they want.
-It's the sunni's problem. Let them fight them. They invited them in.
Why should southerners and other minorities lose their young men in northern hell holes because sunni's want to join Al Qaeda one minute and then ISIS the next.
-I'm not privvy to the negotiations - which is why I qualified my post with "apparently".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29003321
Yep the siege is broken , sunni tribes and ex military who fight alongside ISIS are as predicted planning to turn their guns on IS now malaki is gone and the political situation is changing ...things arent going well for the caliphate
You know, the Sunnis are pretty awful here. Really, ideally any who fought alongside them, should be tried for war crimes. Sad that these people flip flop as much as they do. I hope the Sunni tribes keep fighting for IS, and die
-They know exactly who they are dealing thats why they are talking
-Yes no one in history has ever sided with evil shitbags to fight other evil shitbags , the iraqi sunnis invented the idea
-ISIS are murdering them ...we arent talking about the isis hardcore and never have been ...again its a weak strawman that you keep returning to
-I have never denied that there was sectarian violence going on (low level term used as opposed to current scale)
Howver malaki turned that into a full scale rebellion with his actions all in an obvious bid to take more and more power for himself
The rebels as wwith any conflict looked for help and opened the door for isis
-So you are in one part acknowldging they are not all the same yet saying they should be treated the same , people rebelling agaisnt a goverment that machine gunned down unarmed people are the EXACT same as nutcase beheaders now?
-Never said i was
They are in strong bargaining position ...any fool can see we need them to break this thing and fast
-Yeah theres no way leaving IS there could negatively affect the shia or kurds At this stage im wondering if you are trolling ,everyone can see the military advantages in ridding the world of isis this deal with the sunnis brings to the table.
-in other words u pulled it from your ass :icon_lol:
Holy shit, seriously? I don't think there had even been 150 total strikes up until that point. Was that mainly in support of the relief of Amerli?Cnn reported that close to 150 air strikes were performed by the U.S. yesterday alone. Looks like engagement is starting to ramp up.
So then should they have rebelled and refused isis manpower, weapons and experience?
Heres an exellent recent article on the subject
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/syria-iraq-incubators-isis-jihad
So then should they have rebelled and refused isis manpower, weapons and experience?
Heres an exellent recent article on the subject
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/syria-iraq-incubators-isis-jihad
So then should they have rebelled and refused isis manpower, weapons and experience?
Heres an exellent recent article on the subject
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/syria-iraq-incubators-isis-jihad
LOL what a one-sided article. I can only assume the writer Ali Khedery is a Sunni himself writing that garbage. He got it wrong in the very first sentence, that ISIS did not exist. ISIS exited as ISI and AQI before that. Using terms like "Shia Islamist Axis" and "Sunni Arab revolutionaries" don't score you points on objectivity. The entire piece didn't mention that Sunnis were car bombing Shiite areas several times a week before Maliki ever formed a government. The article is a joke and so is anyone buying this.So then should they have rebelled and refused isis manpower, weapons and experience?
Heres an exellent recent article on the subject
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/syria-iraq-incubators-isis-jihad
-As long as they are aware that they are dealing with treacherous scumbags that should guide any agreement.
-This false moral equivalence of ISIS and the Iraqi central government is both disingenuous and deep disturbing.
-I assume you think the kurds, christians and yazidi's are evil?
It's not a strawman as the yazidi's can attest to.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...tors-with-isis-could-be-its-big-weakness.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/w...dis-kurds-sunni-arabs.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
-Again it was never low level violence. It was high level violence that precipitated the violent reaction towards the sunni's. They harboured and abetted the same people who ultimately created their own miserable situation.
-Yeah, focus on that as opposed to the relentless car bombing of shia civilians.
As repeatedly clarified: they've never accepted their new elected government. They've been "rebelling" before and after such incidents. They've been skilling shia and kurds during saddam, before maliki, during maliki and after.
-lol....they are not in a strong bargaining position. Far from it. They can't even control the situation; and we've seen how well rebellious tribes have faired in Syria.
-I'm all for fighting IS - from the air.
The sunni's should be responsible for fighting them on the ground.
I'm just open to the idea of fortifying the south and kurdish areas while letting the sunni's stew in their own mess for a while. Again, my sympathy for their plight has been largely exhausted by their wanton murder and destruction.
-It's all over twitter if you are following the political process. Obviously it's know the ins and outs of a delicate negotiation. We can only follow the leaks. Twitter is an excellent source for that.
LOL what a one-sided article. I can only assume the writer Ali Khedery is a Sunni himself writing that garbage. He got it wrong in the very first sentence, that ISIS did not exist. ISIS exited as ISI and AQI before that. Using terms like "Shia Islamist Axis" and "Sunni Arab revolutionaries" don't score you points on objectivity. The entire piece didn't mention that Sunnis were car bombing Shiite areas several times a week before Maliki ever formed a government. The article is a joke and so is anyone buying this.
Yeah upon rereading it on a PC it looks pretty bad. Very unobjective and very pro sunniLOL what a one-sided article. I can only assume the writer Ali Khedery is a Sunni himself writing that garbage. He got it wrong in the very first sentence, that ISIS did not exist. ISIS exited as ISI and AQI before that. Using terms like "Shia Islamist Axis" and "Sunni Arab revolutionaries" don't score you points on objectivity. The entire piece didn't mention that Sunnis were car bombing Shiite areas several times a week before Maliki ever formed a government. The article is a joke and so is anyone buying this.
That article just blames Assad, the new Shiite dominated Government of Iraq. Is it a well established fact Syria has actively aiding Al Qaeda in Iraq or were they just indifferent to them using Syria as a safe zone? Why isn't Pakistan dealing with a revolution or is it just a matter of time?
german supplies for kurds arrive
8000 Assault Rifles G3
8000 G36 Assault Rifles
40 MG3 machine guns
8000 pistols P1
30 "Milan" -ATGM with 500 missiles
200 rocket-propelled grenades (type "three") http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust_3
40 heavy bazookas
10,000 hand grenades
100 signal pistols