News Islam Makhachev says he isn't vacating the LW title regardless of who wins the UFC 315 main event

[sdpdude9]

Never claimed that I like him or his team if that’s your point.
But I sure do hold the same standards for everyone. Enough with the double champ bs, vacate if you want to go for a second belt.

Absolutely, same standards. That’s why you were outraged when Volk didn’t vacate before his double champ shot. Oh wait….

It’s really simple. I’m saying you have a clear bias and would criticize him no matter he did and have a history of doing so. You did not show the same level of contempt for another fighter doing a similar thing demonstrating that indeed bias plays heavily into your interpretation.

 

[Conan the K-9]

Absolutely, same standards. That’s why you were outraged when Volk didn’t vacate before his double champ shot. Oh wait….

The whole point of this is you have a clear bias against Islam. You will criticize him no matter what he does. You’ve been doing it for years and you would be criticizing him had he vacated anyways. It’s ok, most people have biases, but stop pretending that isn’t a factor and you’re basing this all on purely objective virtues.

I’ll repeat. Never claimed that I like him or his team.
But this double champ shit, where one guy holds two divisions as hostage needs to go. It’s the worst timeline for both these divisions to be stalled. Both have contenders and both have history of unnecessary rematches. We need to have the divisions moving.
I don’t care if this is on the timeline of some neckbeards carefully planned career.

Everything else is your own imagination.

 

[sdpdude9]

I’ll repeat. Never claimed that I like him or his team.
But this double champ shit, where one guy holds two divisions as hostage needs to go. It’s the worst timeline for both these divisions to be stalled. Both have contenders and both have history of unnecessary rematches. We need to have the divisions moving.
I don’t care if this is on the timeline of some neckbeards carefully planned career.

Everything else is your own imagination.

We agree, I don’t like the double champ shit either. I said it earlier in the thread. But that is not the point of my discussion with you.

My point is you have an inherent bias against Islam that shapes your every reaction negatively. This is evidenced by your long history of attacking every move he makes as well as having a very different reaction when another fighter did exactly what you’re complaining about. You would criticize regardless of what he did. In conclusion, your opinion should be taken as seriously as it is impartial. Which is not very.

 

[orca]

Well, won't take long for Topuria to "prove" himself, already beat Volk and Max at their best weight

was max and volk a top 5 lightweighr fighter when topuria beat them?
we could debate that weight cut drained too much from max and volkov
they are older.cutting weight is much harder

 

[markg171]

He fought 3.5 months ago, he’s not holding up the division. Get real.

Sending Moicano to the back of the line he wasn't even in really clarified the division.

 

[Conan the K-9]

We agree, I don’t like the double champ shit either. I said it earlier in the thread. But that is not the point of my discussion with you.

My point is you have an inherent bias against Islam that shapes your every reaction negatively. This is evidenced by your long history of attacking every move he makes as well as having a very different reaction when another fighter did exactly what you’re complaining about. You would criticize regardless of what he did. In conclusion, your opinion should be taken as seriously as it is impartial. Which is not very.

And my point is, no matter if I don’t like him, on this topic it doesn’t change how I think about him or anyone else doing the same shit. And I have also said many times that, this guy and his team, have a history of making career moves that are very easy to criticize, and this last one what you kindly explained to me what you think it is, is no different from what they have done before. If he one day in the near future, comes out and says that he vacates and goes up, takes a contender fight, there is nothing to criticize. He will have done the 100% right thing.

But for some reason you have decided in your mind that we still need to criticize him, this is the thing what I don’t understand and you don’t seem to get my point. Instead you sound like a broken record with your silly inherited bias theory and it’s you who is really hard to take seriously.

 

[SoSo]

And they all kept their belts and weren’t forced to vacate. Thanks for proving that Islam keeping his belt isn’t a special privilege, it’s the standard deference the UFC shows all long standing and highly ranked P4P champs.

I'd say that you're both right. But both being right doesn't mean one doesn't sound like a knob.

 

[TheNewGame]

Tough times

 

[spinitch]

Defend at least once per year or vacate. Should be 9 months but injuries and opponents availability can take time.

 

[Adamant]

Islam making all these statements of what he will and wont do. Does he not realize Dana and Hunter decide who keeps what and who vacates what?

 

[Hassan Mouzine]

Islam making all these statements of what he will and wont do. Does he not realize Dana and Hunter decide who keeps what and who vacates what?

if dana decides to take the belt away it is called 'stripping'
vacating is literally something that only Islam can do.

it is giving something up/relinquishing.

not the same as being taken away from by another. so Islam is the one who decides if he vacates or not. Nobody else can vacate for him

 

[burningspear]

So, he's dipping his toe into WW, its widely recognized he kills himself to make weight, why the hesitancy?

 

[Adamant]

if dana decides to take the belt away it is called 'stripping'
vacating is literally something that only Islam can do.

it is giving something up/relinquishing.

not the same as being taken away from by another. so Islam is the one who decides if he vacates or not. Nobody else can vacate for him

Fair point, but the bottom line is Islam is refusing to give up the belt. Does he not realize that Dana and Hunter can take it from him whether he wants to give it up or not? He doesn't get to decide if he stays champ or not if he moves up.

Dana wouldn't even let Conor keep both belts long term. If anything, they'd likely let Islam hold it long enough to hype a "Champion vs Champion" fight and then shortly after (if Islam wins) force him to drop the LW belt.

 

[Lord Grey]

There wasn’t much fuss for Volk or Izzy shots. There is WAY more whining about Islam moving up. It’s not even comparable.

I don't know. Maybe Volk the first time got less. I recall Izzy's move prompting loads of whining.

 

[Hassan Mouzine]

Fair point, but the bottom line is Islam is refusing to give up the belt. Does he not realize that Dana and Hunter can take it from him whether he wants to give it up or not? He doesn't get to decide if he stays champ or not if he moves up.

Dana wouldn't even let Conor keep both belts long term. If anything, they'd likely let Islam hold it long enough to hype a "Champion vs Champion" fight and then shortly after (if Islam wins) force him to drop the LW belt.

well fans and media outlets dont talk to the UFC behind the scenes. Islam and his management do have talks.

So maybe all this speculating by fans that he has to give something up (while he defended 3,5 months ago) is nothing but wishful thinking? Islam has defended his title 4 times and might get a crack at welter weight.

WHY would he relinquish the lw belt? Wouldnt it be much smarter to fight for the WW title....and if he wins it to then decide if jhe wants to move up permenantly? There is ZERO reason to give up the belt and also ZERO reason for the UFC to strip him. He has defended his title more than any other LW in history and has done so against every opponent the UFC put in front of him, even last minute replacements.

It is not a legitimate title anyway....this i agree with you. There is no governing body that decides. The UFC decides. If they want to strip any champ...they can do it. But there is no reason to do it and no reason to relinquish either.

All this vacating the belt or getting stripped talk is complete and utter bullshit.

 

[Adamant]

well fans and media outlets dont talk to the UFC behind the scenes. Islam and his management do have talks.

So maybe all this speculating by fans that he has to give something up (while he defended 3,5 months ago) is nothing but wishful thinking? Islam has defended his title 4 times and might get a crack at welter weight.

WHY would he relinquish the lw belt? Wouldnt it be much smarter to fight for the WW title....and if he wins it to then decide if jhe wants to move up permenantly? There is ZERO reason to give up the belt and also ZERO reason for the UFC to strip him. He has defended his title more than any other LW in history and has done so against every opponent the UFC put in front of him, even last minute replacements.

It is not a legitimate title anyway....this i agree with you. There is no governing body that decides. The UFC decides. If they want to strip any champ...they can do it. But there is no reason to do it and no reason to relinquish either.

All this vacating the belt or getting stripped talk is complete and utter bullshit.

I'm basing it on historical precedent. Dana never lets anyone stay double champion long term.

Which I happen to disagree with. If a guy can hold two belts simultaneously and defend both at least twice a year (four fights a year total) then go for it.

 

[Hassan Mouzine]

I'm basing it on historical precedent. Dana never lets anyone stay double champion long term.

Which I happen to disagree with. If a guy can hold two belts simultaneously and defend both at least twice a year (four fights a year total) then go for it.

who says Islam wants to hold 2 belts at the same time? He can win the ww strap and then move up and give up the lw belt.

vacating it beforehand or getting stripped beforehand is complete nonsense. there is no reason to strip him and there is not reason for him to vacate.

it seems to me that there is a group of fans that dont like Islam and want him to get stripped for no apparant reason. Not saying that you are in that group, but this thread is full of posters that talk out of their ass.

why would Islam vacate? He is a 4 time defending champ with quite a few finishes in title fights and the longest win streak
why would the UFC strip him? He defended a couple of months ago and is an exciting fighter with submission and ko victories

to me it seems haters want Islam to get stripped or vacate for.......nothing?

 

[HHJ]

Won’t chase WW gold without a safety net, shite bag.

Hahahah these kind of quotes are funny.

"You won't MOVE UP a division, what a chicken!"

"Oh you MOVE UP but a division w favorable terms, what a pussy!!!!!"

Hahahhahahah you sound ridiculous.

 

[RockyLockridge]

He fought 3.5 months ago, he’s not holding up the division. Get real.

Okay why no fight booked then? Merab fought the same night has a fight booked

 

[Kevster]

Hahahah these kind of quotes are funny.

"You won't MOVE UP a division, what a chicken!"

"Oh you MOVE UP but a division w favorable terms, what a pussy!!!!!"

Hahahhahahah you sound ridiculous.

Except I never actually said either of those things.