International Isis/syria/iraq thread

[GhostZ06]

2nd or 3rd plane in a row reportedly
Joke online now is the rebels dont need manpads the russians rustbucket is a better aa system than they could ever get.

-china and russia veto any aleppo ceasefire ..shocker.

-rebels firing massive amounts of new grads(turkey?) at multiple targets all over syria in 'anger at aleppo' campaign.

- turkish tank convoy arrives near al bab and f16s striking kurds at manbij.

-iran threatens retaliation over sanctions renewal

-isis strike regime targets at deir el zour airport with homemade drone! they say t hey are making 3 more
Reports are the thing drops grenades

Recently released satellite images of the airfield Russia uses in Syria suggest that a contingent of jets from Russia’s lone aircraft carrier, which is floating off Syria’s coast, have been moved inland.

The pictures taken Nov. 20 and released to the defense analysis company IHS Janes, show nine jets adjacent to the tarmac at Khmeimim air base in northern Syria. They are the same types as those flown off the Admiral Kuznetsov, an aging, Soviet-era heavy-aircraft-carrying missile cruiser that began launching jets into Syrian airspace earlier this month.

Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows Su-33 jets parked among Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft at Khmeimim air base in Syria on Nov. 20. (Courtesy of IHS Janes)

The nine aircraft in the satellite images include eight Russian navy Su-33s and one MiG-29K, parked alongside Russia’s normal array of Su-34s, Su-35s and Su-24s. When Russia began its air campaign in Syria, about a dozen Su-25 ground-attack jets were stationed at Khmeimim but returned to Russia following President Vladimir Putin’s March announcement that he was withdrawing some of his forces.

On Nov. 14, a Russian Mig-29K from the Kuznetsov crashed in the Mediterranean. Citing the Russian news outlet Gazeta, IHS reported that the crash was the result of a problem with one of the Kuznetsov’s arrestor cables, forcing the jet to circle the carrier. Arrestor cables are spread across the flight decks of aircraft carriers to catch jets as they land at high speeds, and unlike U.S. carriers, the Kuznetsov does not have a catapult to launch its aircraft; it relies on a ramped deck to help get the jets aloft.








While in its holding pattern, the MiG’s engines failed and the jet went down several miles from the carrier. The pilot, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense, was recovered without incident. Despite the Nov. 14 crash, the Russian Interfax news agency reported that the Kuznetsov was participating in strikes in Syria the next day, as Russian and Syrian government forces began their renewed blitz on eastern Aleppo. The Kuznetsov first deployed with about 20 fighters aboard — a mixture of Su-33s and a small number of Mig-29Ks — as well as a number of helicopters that provide search-and-rescue capabilities and air traffic control.

The MiG-29K is a multi-role fighter capable of attacking both targets in the air and on the ground, and is a newer, carrier-based variant of the traditional MiG-29. The Su-33, on the other hand, is designed to primarily go after other fighters. Videos posted on social media have shown both aircraft in the skies over Syria.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.57e5ab8dc302

 

[whougonnacall]

The Aleppo pocket is basically disappearing before your eyes. Not mentioned once in your 'update'. Once this is done thousands of extra troops will be deployed to other pockets. Not looking good for the rebels. Aleppo will be kippered by Christmas at this rate. Not that you'd know it.

Talked about it like 6 pages ago

 

[whougonnacall]

Unconfirmed Reports of airstrike from unknown jet on fsa-turk euphrates shield forces.
Last time the turks just increased f16 patrols and moved in an short range aa system ..lets see what they will do now (or what putin allows)

 

[Sauron]

Talked about it like 6 pages ago

Aleppo is the single biggest deal in Syria right now. The progress that the SAA has been making has been unprecedented. Yet it warrants barely a footnote in your 'updates'.

You continue to obsess about the Turkish incursion because you jerk off to the prospect of Turkey unseating Assad.

 

[GhostZ06]

Unconfirmed Reports of airstrike from unknown jet on fsa-turk euphrates shield forces.
Last time the turks just increased f16 patrols and moved in an short range aa system ..lets see what they will do now (or what putin allows)

they are about to get kicked out of the EU

 

[Sauron]

Aaah yes so all the experts and anlysists dont know what they are doing but you alone know better

lol at 'all'.

Many analysts are straight up lobbyists - particularly the most influential ones that sit in think tanks and have access to congress and other important decision makers. In many instances a weird marriage between Israeli firsters and gulf money.

No one has ever said isis shouldnt be smashed, thats either a strawman argument or you not grasping basic counter insurgency 101 ie what we need to smash them forever.

Oh you are naive. Plenty of people have argued ISIS should be used a strategic bulwark against Iran. Hell, before fighting ISIS was cool, the US did nothing against them in Iraq in order to force a change in government - and get rid of your favourite guy: Maliki. The guy who oppressed muslims from all over the world so they would take up arms and slaughter anyone who wasn't them, whilst simultaneously destroying Iraqi history; because that's what happens when things don't go your way. I've read many of their articles in many different guises - but the target is always the same: to affect Iran.

 

[Sauron]

they are about to get kicked out of the EU

Turkey is not in the EU.

 

[GhostZ06]

Turkey is not in the EU.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-balkans-idUKKBN1322CL


lol but they're surely close.


Since turkey has been constantly fucking shit up an being idiots.

 

[Sauron]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-balkans-idUKKBN1322CL

lol but they're surely close.

Since turkey has been constantly fucking shit up an being idiots.

Turkey is not even close to joining the EU. Erdogan made doubly sure of that.

 

[GhostZ06]

Turkey is not even close to joining the EU. Erdogan made doubly sure of that.

i bet you read this while you were having a dump lol!

 

[whougonnacall]

Aleppo is the single biggest deal in Syria right now. The progress that the SAA has been making has been unprecedented. Yet it warrants barely a footnote in your 'updates'.

You continue to obsess about the Turkish incursion because you jerk off to the prospect of Turkey unseating Assad.

The saa? In 2016? Sigh
Also I mentioned the collapse 6 pages ago and we talked about its consequences for a whole page ..it s literaly what started this back and forth

Erm everyome is obsessing over the incursion dude russia,u.s,kurds,rebels ,regime ...its the most significant event since russia jumped in and now 3 forces are in a wacky race to take al bab

 

[whougonnacall]

lol at 'all'.

Many analysts are straight up lobbyists - particularly the most influential ones that sit in think tanks and have access to congress and other important decision makers. In many instances a weird marriage between Israeli firsters and gulf money.



Oh you are naive. Plenty of people have argued ISIS should be used a strategic bulwark against Iran. Hell, before fighting ISIS was cool, the US did nothing against them in Iraq in order to force a change in government - and get rid of your favourite guy: Maliki. The guy who oppressed muslims from all over the world so they would take up arms and slaughter anyone who wasn't them, whilst simultaneously destroying Iraqi history; because that's what happens when things don't go your way. I've read many of their articles in many different guises - but the target is always the same: to affect Iran.

So basicaly all those experts are wrong and you are right...gotcha!
Basic counterinsurgency isnt hard to look up man ....was there long before isis were a thing



No one with half a brain argued that nor did the u.s "do nothing" ..again we are in your fantasy alternative history.
Even with malakis reign u.s airpower was hitting isis ,advisors on the ground training,guiding strikes etc
The u.s has been the most critical element in the sucessful fightback vs isis from its very rise from day 1 !
All while putting pressure on that toolbag to undue the shitstorm polices that caused this mess in the first place

 

[whougonnacall]

they are about to get kicked out of the EU

Well they were never in nor did they really belong

Update
-rebwls have pulled lut of old aleppo district

-israel alledgedly strikes damscus airport targets (hezbollah)

 

[Sauron]

So basicaly all those experts are wrong and you are right...gotcha!
Basic counterinsurgency isnt hard to look up man ....was there long before isis were a thing

lol at 'all'.

Many analysts are straight up lobbyists - particularly the most influential ones that sit in think tanks and have access to congress and other important decision makers. In many instances a weird marriage between Israeli firsters and gulf money.

If you're going to regurgitate I can also hit repeat.

No one with half a brain argued that nor did the u.s "do nothing" ..again we are in your fantasy alternative history.
Even with malakis reign u.s airpower was hitting isis ,advisors on the ground training,guiding strikes etc
The u.s has been the most critical element in the sucessful fightback vs isis from its very rise from day 1 !
All while putting pressure on that toolbag to undue the shitstorm polices that caused this mess in the first place

You are a clueless fantasist.

I've read the articles and I've seen the videos of these douche bags arguing that ISIS is the lesser evil. Remember, that all the while this has been going on in the run up to the Iran-deal. Michael Oren is a good example of this.

I very much remember the US holding back help in order to force Maliki out. This, while ISIS were marauding around Iraq. Then they complained when Iran stepped in.

The idea that the US was the most critical element in the fight back against ISIS from day 1 is utter bullshit. Only an idiot would argue that, but then again you don't deal in facts or objectivity. The most critical element has been the Iraqi's themselves who mobilised as volunteer's following Sistani's call, and have died in their thousands, until the Iraqi army got its act together again.

 

[whougonnacall]

lol at 'all'.
Many analysts are straight up lobbyists - particularly the most influential ones that sit in think tanks and have access to congress and other important decision makers. In many instances a weird marriage between Israeli firsters and gulf money.
If you're going to regurgitate I can also hit repeat.



You are a clueless fantasist.

I've read the articles and I've seen the videos of these douche bags arguing that ISIS is the lesser evil. Remember, that all the while this has been going on in the run up to the Iran-deal. Michael Oren is a good example of this.

I very much remember the US holding back help in order to force Maliki out. This, while ISIS were marauding around Iraq. Then they complained when Iran stepped in.

The idea that the US was the most critical element in the fight back against ISIS from day 1 is utter bullshit. Only an idiot would argue that, but then again you don't deal in facts or objectivity. The most critical element has been the Iraqi's themselves who mobilised as volunteer's following Sistani's call, and have died in their thousands, until the Iraqi army got its act together again.

Whatever dude im sure you know best and yet not a single analyst anywhere shares your sophisticated 'burn the whole area and wall it off' strategy...wonder why


Vs iran in iraq ? id doubt it some may have talked of isis being a symptom of a disease not the cause



The u.s got stuck in from day one its logistic, training and planning support as well as airstrikes as close air support and strategic bombing has been the most crucial element to the fight vs isis ....without that iraq fell
We refused to save the much vaunted shia death squads when they were getting their asses handed to them outside their home territory with a indiscriminate carpet bombing strategy...instead we correctly pressured malaki to either defuse the sectarian shitstorm aka enact counter insurgency basics or fuck off
Now kurds ,shia ,sunni (ordianry and those tribal hillbillies) are all part of the success vs isis

 

[carlos cadona]

A guy I talk to that lives in Syria recently started sending me messages again, he's supposedly helping in the rebuilding process in Kobane. He says the ruble has been cleared but there is a lack of supplies keeping them from being able to repair the damaged buildings.

 

[Zankou]

Whatever dude im sure you know best and yet not a single analyst anywhere shares your sophisticated 'burn the whole area and wall it off' strategy...wonder why


Vs iran in iraq ? id doubt it some may have talked of isis being a symptom of a disease not the cause



The u.s got stuck in from day one its logistic, training and planning support as well as airstrikes as close air support and strategic bombing has been the most crucial element to the fight vs isis ....without that iraq fell
We refused to save the much vaunted shia death squads when they were getting their asses handed to them outside their home territory with a indiscriminate carpet bombing strategy...instead we correctly pressured malaki to either defuse the sectarian shitstorm aka enact counter insurgency basics or fuck off
Now kurds ,shia ,sunni (ordianry and those tribal hillbillies) are all part of the success vs isis

Why not mention that mainstream analysts have been disastrously wrong on nearly every aspect of the war?

'Member all the times the experts lectured us about how ISIS was not a real threat, and not sustainable? 'Member all the times we were told that Sunni civilians didn't support them? 'Member when Assad was inevitably doomed because freedom-loving moderates were tired of the horrible sectarian oppression? 'Member all the horror stories about how Shiite militias would act like Sunni militants and massacre everybody?

We all 'member. What a bunch of corrupt and incompetent fuck-ups. Shamelessly shilling for Western foreign policy and Gulf/Israel interests. Worse than their performance on the Trump election even.

 

[whougonnacall]

Why not mention that mainstream analysts have been disastrously wrong on nearly every aspect of the war?

-'Member all the times the experts lectured us about how ISIS was not a real threat, and not sustainable?
-'Member all the times we were told that Sunni civilians didn't support them?
- 'Member when Assad was inevitably doomed because freedom-loving moderates were tired of the horrible sectarian oppression?
- 'Member all the horror stories about how Shiite militias would act like Sunni militants and massacre everybody?

-We all 'member. What a bunch of corrupt and incompetent fuck-ups. Shamelessly shilling for Western foreign policy and Gulf/Israel interests. Worse than their performance on the Trump election even.

Nope isis has been rolled back by the very policies everyone has advocated working

-I believe that was obama going
against every expert on the subject with his infamous ' putting on a shirt 'speech
Another gem in his 'i know better than everyone' highlight reel

-? i think you mean about how the sunni population was the centre of gravity the counter insurgency would swing on which is accuarate

-hes been rescued about 3 times now by foriegn powers so they were accurate ...what did u think the russian intervention was for?

-they have been dude.... look it up

The last part im not sure how to awnser...should western foriwgn policy be all about helping russia and iran expand instead?

 

[whougonnacall]

So
-brittish pm says she will support gulf state fightback vs iran , 30bil of arms sales signed

-russia and turkey sign pipeline deal

-russia acknowledges death of one of its officers in syria

-isreal admits to dual strikes in damascus ..talks about stopping further proliferation of weapons to hezbollah
The old wmd term may be used more

-isis take land and arms in palymra ..talk of homs -palyra highway cut off
Meanwhile their propaganda magazine (how the fuck are they still publishing? ) want more western knife attacks

-fsa -turk force reportedly now in outer al bab suburbs more turk infantry being brought up
Mosul campaign floundering unfortunatly

-regime still making gains in aleppo
Rebels finaly have one command and commander.....months too late of course

-regime axis now has 200 chechens flown in by russia , talk of them operating as sort of military police to keep the various foriegn militas in line ,reduce looting etc
Assad in interveiw confident of aleppo win soon...dismisses federalisation of syria, says issue of kurdish areas will be dealt with after war

 

[Videer]

Eastern Aleppo shit-show goes on as regime kidnaps and kills fleeing people while rebels inside kidnap and kill those who want rebels out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/world/middleeast/syria-aleppo-united-nations.html?_r=0

Turkish Leopards somewhere in northern Syria as the Turkish backed offensive has reached outskirts of IS held al Bab.



Mosul offensive is somewhat stalled as ISF face stiff resistance and IS counter attacks.