International Isis/syria/iraq thread

[Sauron]

Which ignores the fact they came about due to political reasons causeing the first iraqi army to collapse , we are breaking them down as the sunni tribes are turning on them,kurds are mucking in and we have adressed some of the sectarian political issues and thus have built a new mixed iraqi army
But if that all falls apart were back to square one

People don't join murderous death cults for 'political reasons'.

Your facts are bullshit, and I don't buy that narrative one bit. Their deeper motivation was seizing back power, and they thought ISIS was the way to do it. Unfortunately for them the monster they adopted started to devour them. Now they are in the political wilderness, and it's all of their own making because they couldn't accept being ruled by a shia majority.

 

[Sauron]

They fucked the place up from the air yes but their miltary on the ground had its shot pushed it
Turns out unmotivated conscripts arent the way to go fighting people onnthier own soil....just like afghanistan

They absolutely levelled it. The Russians won. How they did so doesn't matter.

In the end the Russians picked off the Chechen terrorists one by one.

 

[whougonnacall]

People don't join murderous death cults for 'political reasons'.

Your facts are bullshit, and I don't buy that narrative one bit. Their deeper motivation was seizing back power, and they thought ISIS was the way to do it. Unfortunately for them the monster they adopted started to devour them. Now they are in the political wilderness, and it's all of their own making because they couldn't accept being ruled by a shia majority.

Sauron we've been down this road before and your 'not buying' reality doesnt alter it or how history records it

If politics is too complex for you thats fine but your bizzaro world narrative where you think of 20-30 mil plus people as some sort of undivided ant/borg like collective mind that is one second all rampant feral jihadis the next cold blooded dead eyed mercs for hire is insane
Id hate to imagine post war germany in your hands

 

[whougonnacall]

They absolutely levelled it. The Russians won. How they did so doesn't matter.
In the end the Russians picked off the Chechen terrorists one by one.

But at tremendous costs to themselves and chechnya
To think they can do so again on a much much larger scale when the same tactics already failed the scale up test (afghanistan) is daft

Bear in mind they are already balls deep in the ukraine (far more imp to them) and have openly admitted that unlike chechnya they havent close to the cash to rebuild syria to try and pacify its population.

 

[Fronk]

Always a good laugh this thread, keep it up whougonnacall

 

[Sauron]

Sauron we've been down this road before and your 'not buying' reality doesnt alter it or how history records it

With your tenuous hold on reality I wouldn't be too keen on relying on it.

As i've said before: joining a murderous death cult is not a valid response to losing power. They backed the wrong horse and now they live with the consequences.

History will be defined by the victors, and in a decades time (or even less) the impact of gulf lobbyists and their shills will have dissipated.

If politics is too complex for you thats fine but your bizzaro world narrative where you think of 20-30 mil plus people as some sort of undivided ant/borg like collective mind that is one second all rampant feral jihadis the next cold blooded dead eyed mercs for hire is insane
Id hate to imagine post war germany in your hands

The German and Japanese people underwent decades of deep self-reflection after their crimes in WW2. Their society, outlook and political considerations are still affected by those events. Meanwhile you are an apologist who still assigns no blame to those that adopted them, and treats it like ISIS was a king of bargaining chip: to be joined when parliamentary elections aren't going their way.

Politics is too complex for you, my deluded little friend. You've created a parallel reality which you then proceed to argue within.

 

[Undying Poster]

The German and Japanese people underwent decades of deep self-reflection after their crimes in WW2. Their society, outlook and political considerations are still affected by those events. Meanwhile you are an apologist who still assigns no blame to those that adopted them, and treats it like ISIS was a king of bargaining chip: to be joined when parliamentary elections aren't going their way.

The German and Japanese people underwent decades of deep self-reflection after their crimes in WW2. Their society, outlook and political considerations are still affected by those events. Meanwhile you are an apologist who still assigns no blame to those that adopted them, and treats it like ISIS was a king of bargaining chip: to be joined when parliamentary elections aren't going their way.

The German and Japanese people underwent decades of deep self-reflection after their crimes in WW2. Their society, outlook and political considerations are still affected by those events. Meanwhile you are an apologist who still assigns no blame to those that adopted them, and treats it like ISIS was a king of bargaining chip: to be joined when parliamentary elections aren't going their way.

Quoting and highlighting this so we can be completely sure whougonnacall can't miss this point

 

[whougonnacall]

With your tenuous hold on reality I wouldn't be too keen on relying on it.

As i've said before: joining a murderous death cult is not a valid response to losing power. They backed the wrong horse and now they live with the consequences.

History will be defined by the victors, and in a decades time (or even less) the impact of gulf lobbyists and their shills will have dissipated.



The German and Japanese people underwent decades of deep self-reflection after their crimes in WW2. Their society, outlook and political considerations are still affected by those events. Meanwhile you are an apologist who still assigns no blame to those that adopted them, and treats it like ISIS was a king of bargaining chip: to be joined when parliamentary elections aren't going their way.

Politics is too complex for you, my deluded little friend. You've created a parallel reality which you then proceed to argue within.

By the same logic you are using germans backed the nazis becuase they 'lost ww1 and wanted revenge....no other factors involved ? just a collective bunch of war loving jew killers waiting for an excuse right?

As for consequences everyone in that area has been feeling the consequences of one shitty political situation after from sadams seizure of power to gulf war 1 to now .....its gettingbthe cycle of violence to end in a way thats stable is whats important


Again its your repeated warped reality rant that isis where able to sieze so much of iraq due to ' lost parlimentary elections ' or 'losing power ' lol means you either didnt study or dont understand the subject
your pretend world where the syrian situatuon (both pre war and during) and the idiocy/tyranny of iraqis malaki (cited by literaly every article and expert on the subject ) are ignored as never happned or irrelavent to isis rise is simply amazing.

 

[Orgasmo]

By the same logic you are using germans backed the nazis becuase they 'lost ww1 and wanted revenge....no other factors involved ? just a collective bunch of war loving jew killers waiting for an excuse right?

As for consequences everyone in that area has been feeling the consequences of one shitty political situation after from sadams seizure of power to gulf war 1 to now .....its gettingbthe cycle of violence to end in a way thats stable is whats important


Again its your repeated warped reality rant that isis where able to sieze so much of iraq due to ' lost parlimentary elections ' or 'losing power ' lol means you either didnt study or dont understand the subject
your pretend world where the syrian situatuon (both pre war and during) and the idiocy/tyranny of iraqis malaki (cited by literaly every article and expert on the subject ) are ignored as never happned or irrelavent to isis rise is simply amazing.

It's pretty funny that you're using the term "warp reality" in describing others, because that's you and your rebel narrative in a nutshell. You do realize you're the laughing stock of these threads right?

 

[whougonnacall]

It's pretty funny that you're using the term "warp reality" in describing others, because that's you and your rebel narrative in a nutshell. You do realize you're the laughing stock of these threads right?

Only to the retarded
Feel free to fire in something of substance to the thread yourself

Or feel free to spell out in your own words the rise of isis without mentioning malaki in iraqi or the syrian civil war being factors as sauron believes....il wait

 

[Orgasmo]

Only to the retarded
Feel free to fire in something of substance to the thread yourself

Here is a fact of life. When you think everybody else is the retard, you're actually it.

Your "moderate" narrative and Sunni victimhood are so played out that everybody in these threads consider you a broken record. The substance you're looking for has been told to you over and over for the past two years since the rise of ISIS. Eventually, people stop being serious with jokes, and I gotta say Sauron has displayed far more patience with fools that I would have.

 

[whougonnacall]

Here is a fact of life. When you think everybody else is the retard, you're actually it.

Your "moderate" narrative and Sunni victimhood are so played out that everybody in these threads consider you a broken record. The substance you're looking for has been told to you over and over for the past two years since the rise of ISIS. Eventually, people stop being serious with jokes, and I gotta say Sauron has displayed far more patience with fools that I would have.

Nope you can be surrounded by tards sometimes....the success of reality tv and beiber proves theres load of them out there

Ok then as i asked, spell out the rise of isis without malkis actions in iraq or the syrian civil war being factors as your bf saurom belives ...il wait

 

[Videer]

After some six months of fighting the city of Sirte in Libya has been made a daesh free zone.

Another plane lost while trying to land on Kuznetsov, this time a Su-33 in a manner similiar to the video:

The fighter, a Sukhoi Su-33 (reportedly, ‘88 Red’, upgraded with SVP-24 bombing computer), skidded off the deck during landing as the result of a defective arrester gear cable.

http://www.combataircraft.net/2016/12/05/russian-carrier-loses-another-jet-in-mediterranean/

Meanwhile Trump business empire has expanded all the way to Iraqi Kurdistan.

 

[Sauron]

By the same logic you are using germans backed the nazis becuase they 'lost ww1 and wanted revenge....no other factors involved ? just a collective bunch of war loving jew killers waiting for an excuse right?

You're half right. The Germans were humiliated and wanted their pride back. Then a nasty and charismatic man with a dangerous ideology rallied and whipped them up into a frenzy of hate and nationalism. There's no excuse for what they did. There's no justification. You and some other retard analysts think joining ISIS is the equivalent of attending a protest.

But in summary you're an idiot and a shameless apologist. Thankfully things aren't going your way.

 

[whougonnacall]

You're half right. The Germans were humiliated and wanted their pride back. Then a nasty and charismatic man with a dangerous ideology rallied and whipped them up into a frenzy of hate and nationalism. There's no excuse for what they did. There's no justification. You and some other retard analysts think joining ISIS is the equivalent of attending a protest.

But in summary you're an idiot and a shameless apologist. Thankfully things aren't going your way.

So what your saying is youd have exterminated the germans ...nice to know.
Its funny how you feel all the analysts and experts on the subject on the matter are wrong and you are somehow right.....speaks volumes
Tells us everything we need to know about ya


Whatever dude iv disagreed with a few here on this subject but at least they could debate like grown ups or added actual substance like updates or ideas on what will happen or should happen to fix all this......you by contrast aint added shit, cry when u are disagreed with and havent any real stance other than 'kill dem sunni muzzies'

 

[whougonnacall]

After some six months of fighting the city of Sirte in Libya has been made a daesh free zone.

Another plane lost while trying to land on Kuznetsov, this time a Su-33 in a manner similiar to the video:





http://www.combataircraft.net/2016/12/05/russian-carrier-loses-another-jet-in-mediterranean/

Meanwhile Trump business empire has expanded all the way to Iraqi Kurdistan.

2nd or 3rd plane in a row reportedly
Joke online now is the rebels dont need manpads the russians rustbucket is a better aa system than they could ever get.

-china and russia veto any aleppo ceasefire ..shocker.

-rebels firing massive amounts of new grads(turkey?) at multiple targets all over syria in 'anger at aleppo' campaign.

- turkish tank convoy arrives near al bab and f16s striking kurds at manbij.

-iran threatens retaliation over sanctions renewal

-isis strike regime targets at deir el zour airport with homemade drone! they say t hey are making 3 more
Reports are the thing drops grenades

 

[Sauron]

So what your saying is youd have exterminated the germans ...nice to know.
Its funny how you feel all the analysts and experts on the subject on the matter are wrong and you are somehow right.....speaks volumes
Tells us everything we need to know about ya

Most so-called analysts are paid-up lobbyists and all round shit-for-brains.

I think the Germans got their just deserts after what they did.

Reflection, atonement and reconciliation is just as important. However, absolving them of blame is just as dangerous. ISIS is not an adventure holiday to be enjoyed at their whim, and to achieve political goals. It's a dangerous death cult which needs to be smashed.

Whatever dude iv disagreed with a few here on this subject but at least they could debate like grown ups or added actual substance like updates or ideas on what will happen or should happen to fix all this......you by contrast aint added shit, cry when u are disagreed with and havent any real stance other than 'kill dem sunni muzzies'

You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag.

You use positional arguments and ignore facts that don't support your thesis. You can't be reasoned with, and you live in a parallel dimension where the rebels are some romantic notion of democracy activists. Arguing with you is not a case of trying to change your mind; it's stopping you from poisoning the minds of others.

I get my updates from other sources, and come here purely to witness you single handed powering this thread with the methane from all the bs you produce. If I got my updates from here I'd be thinking the rebels were winning, and that all these ISIS members were politically marginalised gentlemen instead of thugs who literally thought they could get away with murder. I am Jack's complete lack of sympathy.

My stance is clear: win the war and then deal with the politics afterwards. You just don't like who is winning. I wonder why.

 

[Sauron]

The Aleppo pocket is basically disappearing before your eyes. Not mentioned once in your 'update'. Once this is done thousands of extra troops will be deployed to other pockets. Not looking good for the rebels. Aleppo will be kippered by Christmas at this rate. Not that you'd know it.

 

[godking]

The Aleppo pocket is basically disappearing before your eyes. Not mentioned once in your 'update'. Once this is done thousands of extra troops will be deployed to other pockets. Not looking good for the rebels. Aleppo will be kippered by Christmas at this rate. Not that you'd know it.

Christmas ? At this rate it could be over by the weekend.

 

[whougonnacall]

Most so-called analysts are paid-up lobbyists and all round shit-for-brains.
I think the Germans got their just deserts after what they did.
Reflection, atonement and reconciliation is just as important. However, absolving them of blame is just as dangerous. ISIS is not an adventure holiday to be enjoyed at their whim, and to achieve political goals. It's a dangerous death cult which needs to be smashed.




You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag.
You use positional arguments and ignore facts that don't support your thesis. You can't be reasoned with, and you live in a parallel dimension where the rebels are some romantic notion of democracy activists. Arguing with you is not a case of trying to change your mind; it's stopping you from poisoning the minds of others.
I get my updates from other sources, and come here purely to witness you single handed powering this thread with the methane from all the bs you produce. If I got my updates from here I'd be thinking the rebels were winning, and that all these ISIS members were politically marginalised gentlemen instead of thugs who literally thought they could get away with murder. I am Jack's complete lack of sympathy.

My stance is clear: win the war and then deal with the politics afterwards. You just don't like who is winning. I wonder why.

Aaah yes so all the experts and anlysists dont know what they are doing but you alone know better
No one has ever said isis shouldnt be smashed, thats either a strawman argument or you not grasping basic counter insurgency 101 ie what we need to smash them forever.

And you suck at it too ...soo many strawmen youd swear you swear you had a field to orotect from crows
But instead you insist you have to 'protect' the weak minds of fellow sherdoggers lol