Elections Is Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset?

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lol @ "careful with email security" ... and I'm the nutter? Holy shit...

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, Jack. But I think you're solidly in the minority if you don't think Hillary is/was corrupt. I would venture to say that a good percentage of those who voted for her in 2016 wouldn't deny there are valid concerns on that front.

Jack defends the establishment like it's his job.



Because it is

 

[Jack V Savage]

First time in 5 years.

I used to shoot the shit with Jack way back in the day, but mostly on MMA.

Does he have a WR reputation I'm not privy to?

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/official-war-room-awards-2017.3678857/

 

[Jack V Savage]

Jack defends the establishment like it's his job.

Because it is

@juggo, of course if you make an effort to be accurate, you run afoul of the CT crew.

Also, note that you have argued that the American people should not know where the president's income comes from, while my most "pro-establishment" position would be that I'm skeptical of the cost-savings estimates of single-payer advocates.

 

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@juggo I will never tell you what to believe or how to think. I have more respect for you then that.

Hack will be sure to let you know what a terrible person you are if you dont bow to his objectively correct snopes facts. Good luck.

 

[HAWTRIDDUM]

Russia has been attempting to interfere in our elections long before any of us were even born.

This rhetoric that this is some new thing is embarassing to listen to.

 

[Higus]

Russian Twitter bots lol.

Ok, man. Ok...

Russian Twitterbot activity is well documented
https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/hamilton-dashboard/

 

[Jack V Savage]

@juggo I will never tell you what to believe or how to think. I have more respect for you then that.

Hack will be sure to let you know what a terrible person you are if you dont bow to his objectively correct snopes facts. Good luck.

I don't agree with branding facts like that, but I do believe that objective reality exists and that we can approximate knowledge of it by looking at evidence and using reason. That belief often puts me on the opposite side of people and both sides of the main political divide who have a deep belief in tribal reality.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Sounds like Hillary is still disgruntled about losing. What is she trying to accomplish at this point with comments like that? Why create a controversy with in the Democratic Party months away from needing to come together to take down Trump? That doesn't sounds like the mentality of someone who should be the president.

I feel like she wants Trump to win out of spite.

It's more than disgruntled. She's accusing a sitting Congressional Representative of being a foreign agent without a shred of proof. That's dangerously delusional. Side question, which left leaning media outlets asked her for proof related to her claims?

 

[Jack V Savage]

It's more than disgruntled. She's accusing a sitting Congressional Representative of being a foreign agent without a shred of proof. That's dangerously delusional. Side question, which left leaning media outlets asked her for proof related to her claims?

You're mistaken. Clinton did not accuse a sitting Congressional Representative of being a foreign agent.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

You're mistaken. Clinton did not accuse a sitting Congressional Representative of being a foreign agent.

I'd love to hear the spin here. Where do you locate my error? Isn't Tulsi currently a Congresswoman from Hawaii? And Hillary said several times publicly she is a Russian asset.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'd love to hear the spin here. Where do you locate my error? Isn't Tulsi currently a Congresswoman from Hawaii? And Hillary said several times publicly she is a Russian asset.

There's no spin. You simply made a mistake. Clinton did not call Gabbard a Russian agent. She called Stein a Russian asset, and arguably hinted that she thought Gabbard was, too. Also, not several times (new mistake, apparently).

As I said, it's quite telling that most of the outraged responses to Clinton's comments have involved distorting them.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

There's no spin. You simply made a mistake. Clinton did not call Gabbard a Russian agent. She called Stein a Russian asset, and arguably hinted that she thought Gabbard was, too. Also, not several times (new mistake, apparently).

As I said, it's quite telling that most of the outraged responses to Clinton's comments have involved distorting them.

In the context of intelligence, the terms "asset" and "agent" are often used interchangeably. For example, from wikipedia's article on Asset (intelligence): "They are sometimes referred to as agents". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_(intelligence)

But to give you the benefit of the doubt, can you explain how Hillary used asset here in a way that does not overlap with the usage for agent?

 

[Jack V Savage]

In the context of intelligence, the terms "asset" and "agent" are often used interchangeably.

The term used was asset. And you should read the whole entry and the whole quote and make a good-faith effort to understand both.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

The term used was asset. And you should read the whole entry and the whole quote and make a good-faith effort to understand both.

I always make a good faith effort. That's why I showed you a neutral source explaining that in the context of intelligence operations agent and asset are used interchangeably. I didn't misquote Clinton's words and I accurately described the substance of her baseless charges.

You are free to explain why asset is not interchangable with agent here. I think you should do so.

 

[LuchaBear]

It's more than disgruntled. She's accusing a sitting Congressional Representative of being a foreign agent without a shred of proof. That's dangerously delusional. Side question, which left leaning media outlets asked her for proof related to her claims?

This was posted earlier in the thread but it's just one person, not sure what everyone else is saying.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

This was posted earlier in the thread but it's just one person, not sure what everyone else is saying.

Thanks, good clip. Van Jones is correct that what Hillary is doing here is "dangerous".

 

[PlayswellwithLawnDarts]

I know one thing you can’t put her picture next to Hillary Clintons and make me want to fuck her less. What was the question?

 

[The ScorpioN]

First time in 5 years.

I used to shoot the shit with Jack way back in the day, but mostly on MMA.

Does he have a WR reputation I'm not privy to?

When it comes to Hilary, you can always count on @Jack V Savage to correct the record.

 

[Jack V Savage]

When it comes to Hilary, you can always count on @Jack V Savage to correct the record.

On any issue, I favor accuracy over inaccuracy.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I always make a good faith effort. That's why I showed you a neutral source explaining that in the context of intelligence operations agent and asset are used interchangeably. I didn't misquote Clinton's words and I accurately described the substance of her baseless charges.

You are free to explain why asset is not interchangable with agent here. I think you should do so.

You said "agent" when the claim was "asset." You changed it to misrepresent the claim because what she actually said was not a big deal, and you wanted to outrage (and the fact that a claim is false does not appear to you to be a reason not to make it).