Is this Renzo Gracie quote accurate from your experience?

[pulling guard]

No they can't if you just let the enemy get to them and easily kill them.

No they just continue on.

 

[horc00]

The Kimura is a shoulder lock. Don't talk about want you don't know.

A kimura is a shoulder AND elbow lock that threatens to dislocate the shoulder, elbow or break the humerus, whichever gives way first.

Doesn't break the elbow huh? Well tell that to Renzo.
https://www.graciemag.com/en/2014/0...of-the-most-thrilling-moments-in-mma-history/

The Japanese caught the Gracie in a surprising Kimura lock that caused Renzo’s elbow to come out of the socket.

Don't talk about want you don't know yeah.

If Thor doesn't train, I know I could choke him out.

Nice of him to stand there and let you do that.

If the secret service opened the white house doors for me, I'm sure I could waltz in there and kick Trump's butt too.

 

[Masturbin]

The Kimura is a shoulder lock. Don't talk about want you don't know.

Nice shoulder lock

 

[tramendous]

No, that's nonsense. Like universities have gone queer but a classic university philosophy syllabus is far more information-rich.

I guess theres always 'the classics' when your field is dead.

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

I think everyone can agree the point of most sports is to test oneself. However, people shouldn't confuse the ability to endure the mental stress of a physical endeavor with enduring the mental stress of an intellectual exercise. I'm going to give an example. I work in a relatively high stress white collar job. I had a guy for a time who was my main partner at work. He was fresh out of special forces and had completed his college degree. He was into BJJ/boxing and competed in grappling. Fucking tough as nails, I mean nails. Any physical test was easy. He buried me in every physical undertaking we ever did. He could get beat and come back for more every day.

However, could he handle the mental stress of civilian high pressure work? He could not deal with it, at all. It destroyed him. Now works for a federal law enforcement agency. He understands training, sacrifice, diligence, discipline, etc., etc. but all of his understanding walked right out the door when the stress became purely intellectual.

My point is there are people who are not cut out for the physical stress of fighting but one shouldn't discount their ability to come to a place in life where they are a complete well thought out human.

 

[DespicablePeep]

Renzo is literally the biggest scumbag out of all the Gracies

mmm don´t know, Ryan was up there and Renzo´s brother Ralph is a piece of shit too, Ralph got beat so bad by Gomi that the bully retired from MMA.

Enjoy

 

[2004 account]

Imagine simping for Renzo Gracie...

Imaging not knowing how to properly use the word simp. Ignore list worthy. Fuck off beotch, enjoy yourself in your own darkness.

 

[ineverpost]

Renzo Gracie could not even step into a community college

 

[randomg1t]

Renzo is a fucking moron

unfortunately, this isn't clear to everyone.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

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Hogan looks higher giraffe pussy LoL

 

[Mr Joyboy]

I guess theres always 'the classics' when your field is dead.

Lol what?

 

[mkt]

I always lol when martial artists think their knowledge is comparable with the one of PHDs...

That largely depends what field the PhD is in and when/when you received it. A PhD in anything related to grievance studies is complete rubbish.

 

[mkt]

Who's the grappling coach who worked with GSP and has been associated with Renzo? The Australian guy who came to the U.S. to get a PhD (in philosophy I think)? You may get a lot of wisdom from him (who seems pretty centered and not a whacko like some would-be philosophers). Renzo, on the other hand, is a scummy guy.

 

[koquerelle]

I always lol when martial artists think their knowledge is comparable with the one of PHDs...

Especially when It's a scumbag thug acting that way

 

[Kenny95]

he said that the day before the fight the judo guy was calling by phone to his hotel room all night to prevent him for sleeping and even having some words for Renzo´s wife, in any case I dont see it was necessary to stomp a guy that just submited to a choke;
many people say Renzo is a likeable guy but there are lots that say he´s a pos and a terrible human being, guess I have to meet him to have my own opinion

That's bullshit. It's called taking the phone off the hook or unplugging it. Telephone by tko

 

[beastman]

Renzo is a fucking moron

Renzo's got a great upkick, but yeah, dude is a moron.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Firstly, this thread isn't all about war and fighting. But I'll debate you.

Who is more important?

The one soldier on the ground or the scientist who developed the atomic bomb?

The one sniper who shoots really well or the engineer who designed the gun with which the sniper shot with?

The tank commander or the engineer who invented the tank?

The stealth fighter pilot or the scientist that developed stealth technology?

Any country, any government, any military general worth his salt, would sacrifice a platoon of strong and able-bodied alpha males who bench teh 275 just to save their one geeky scrawny scientist or kill the enemies geeky scrawny scientist.

In this day and age, technology is king. The rest are cannon fodder.

I'm not talking about the importance of each member, I'm talking about the purpose of having to build the atomic bomb. Everyone is important and play a specific role. But don't forget the reason why these brilliant minds developed it in the first place.

You need people to make things, but they won't be the ones using it. You can be a master blacksmith but not a master swordsmen. One knows how to make the weapon, the other knows how to use it. Scientist without fighters military/government are nothing more than just scientist and wouldn't be able to handle ruling or combat/war. They are specialized in their thinking/knowledge/skillset. They are important, but only within a system where they can be an asset and allowed to make their advancements.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Mmm'kay

You are quoting physics and technology, but mmmmMmMmMKHHhhHaaayyy carry on.

This thread was on philosophy, you should know the difference in the subject matter you are trying to quote.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Completely agree with you. I'm a big fan of bjj myself, but, while it demands a lot of time and effort to be capable of performing moves at worldclass level, there isn't that much "science" behind it. There are basics, and everything else is just "the way X and Y like to do it, what works best for them". It isn't more intellectually challenging than cooking for instance, where everything is just another recipe, another way to season the soup... unlike math or philosophy where you really need to have put the time and effort and be naturaly gifted enough to understand what is taught a PHD level.
For striking it's even worse, as there are even fewer things to know. I'm dying to find new techniques in boxing, new things where I have the HAHA effect, but at best I'm like "hum that's interesting, might try this the next time I spar". Combat sports trainers need to stop acting like they have some high level knowledge, what they teach isn't hard to understand nor to know... what is hard is to actually perform those things.

It's more comparable to chess, to high level practitioners with fight iq that's how it can be viewed. Same with war tactics/strategies. You need an understanding of everything going on - all the moves/techniques, the offensive attacks, defensive attacks, counters, patterns, what move/attack will they strike with etc. That's where the intellect comes into play. Same reason people consider chess grandmasters geniuses is the same reason you can consider people that do things similar in terms of combat/war geniuses as well.

Of course you can just button smash, but that's not point I'm making here. It's for the people that can view it as chess. That's where the difference is.

Also it's a combination of body and mind. You have to sync what you think to what you do. That is harder than just having to think things and not have to do anything physically to match. It's the science of the body and mind - not just mind.

 

[dmwalking]

You are thinking just in terms of sports and BJJ. I think it's more about overall philosophy of combat/war which can also include life/survival/death. Also philosophy on self discipline, mental fortitude, and strengthening the body and the mind. Zen is a philosophy all on it's own but it is also used by martial artists because a Zen mindset can be synergistic with martial arts and combat.

Marcus Aurelius is one of the great philosophers, and he used his experience/knowledge from combat/wars and being a ruler to forge his philosophies and is best known for his stoic philosophy. Without combat/wars he wouldn't have been able to form his philosophies.

It's bigger than combat/martial arts.

For example someone that just knows school and books wouldn't have the experience and wisdom of a Marcus Aurelius. There would be a lot things in the world they wouldn't understand. Marcus Aurelius is just one example, there are a lot of other philosophers from a combat/martial arts background.

I appreciate your post. All of what you said can be found in an Ivy League school and then more. So again, Renzo’s egotistical proclamation is false.

I acknowledge the philosophies of combat sports and cherish them deeply, but I’m also not delusional enough to believe that there is MORE philosophy on the mats than an actual school. I’ve done both. Combat sports have their limitations.