Is this Renzo Gracie quote accurate from your experience?

[kenetics]

Again, you're confusing the importance of the role vs the importance of the person filling that role.

Not everyone can fit a warriors or fighter role.. just like they can fit in higher education individuals. People are genetically gifted with these abilities.

Most people now are scared of their own shadows. Most people can't fight , most people are not in shape . Most people couldn't hurt or kill if they had too.

So ya, it's very important to have those people who can during those times of war or takeovers .

 

[Chael_Sonnen]

He might have, at least one of his kids has a BFA from a pretty prestigious private east coast college. Forgot which one. Definitely didnt check one out for himself though.

Hm, if anything that makes him more of a hypocrite than every lol.

 

[Jack&Cat]

lol

 

[spinup]

How many hours of studying does it take to get a PhD? 10,000? 25,000?

How many hours do you think Renzo has spent on his craft? Certainly far more than PhD students ever spend on theirs.

To think that their knowledge is somehow less simply because it's not from a book is absurd. But please, explain how that PhD in 14th century English poetry is just so much more than 25+ years of experience training

I've got 20 years experience in jerking off, and you make me feel like I hold a Ph.D in Onanic Studies. And that's on top of my actual Ph.D.

Thank you sir.

 

[GoatArtemLobov]

How many hours of studying does it take to get a PhD? 10,000? 25,000?

How many hours do you think Renzo has spent on his craft? Certainly far more than PhD students ever spend on theirs.

To think that their knowledge is somehow less simply because it's not from a book is absurd. But please, explain how that PhD in 14th century English poetry is just so much more than 25+ years of experience training

As I said it before, becoming good at bjj and even a world champ takes more time than getting a phd but there is nothing "intellectual" in bjj, or at least not that much, it's a physical activity who involves a lil bit of trickyness but everybody with an IQ not under 80 can understand it.
Same thing for the "sweet science" there is no more science in boxing than there is in football, yet you never know here someone talking about the "sweet science of football".
So I'm not saying than PHD>bjj black belt, but that it is apples and oranges. Therefore, claiming bjj is more intellectual than philosophy is almost as preposterous as it would be to claim philosophy is more physically challenging than bjj.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Renzo is a glass jaw fraud

No wonder why Danaher left him

Danahar left Renzo's? Did he say why?

As for the OP, of course its wrong. BJJ folks like to think their martial art is some high level intellectual exercise. Its a very technical sport but at the end of the day its still just a sport.

 

[Islam Imamate]

really? Which philosophies does jiu jitsu teach on the mats? If you’re able to list more than 10, compare that to an Ivy League school. Lol.

I love jiu jitsu, but it’s not that deep. All of that no ego, oss, douchebag filter, budo, zen, Bjj lifestyle, etc is hogshit.

it’s just a sport/martial art that has sports/martial arts applications.

Bjj was invented by thugs and bullies. Lmao. I guess they needed to add the “honor” and tma Schtick to appeal to broader audiences.

Yeah obviously bullshit when the best guy in the sport, Gordan Ryan, is a huge douche bag.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Training Jiu-Jitsu and MMA has been a huge part of my life since 2005. These places have often been filled with some of the dumbest people I've ever had to interact with. It would be hard to exaggerate how untrue what Renzo said is.

What I will say is that Jiu-Jitsu is a lot like a cult and professors get very used to forcing their idiotic theories on life to their students, while no one ever pushes back because they want to get promoted. Not sure if that's Renzo's idea of philosophy or not.

If you are In there for the promotion, your doing something very fucking wrong

 

[HaulParris]

I give Renzo hespect as a mixed martial artist and BJJ practitioner, but he is not stating some profound wisdom here - just stating his opinion, which I don't agree with.

 

[TheAmericanGazelle]

How many hours of studying does it take to get a PhD? 10,000? 25,000?

How many hours do you think Renzo has spent on his craft? Certainly far more than PhD students ever spend on theirs.

Speaking only to this point, I can tell you merely getting a PhD is not the end of the road in any way, shape, or form for being associated with that level. You definitely don't stop learning or working on your craft once you get the actual degree.

Renzo wouldn't be compared to a newly-minted PhD, he'd be compared to a full Professor of international distinction, with at least a touch of fame (as much as academics can ever get within their narrow fields).

 

[Rvd Slmr]

Yeah obviously bullshit when the best guy in the sport, Gordan Ryan, is a huge douche bag.

Can't wait for Paul Harris's new book of aphorisms.

 

[SHAZAM]

Only pussies ass soyboys disagree. Both are important, but it's warriors that keep out the barbarians and allow these PhDeez to even be relevant. No fight? No life. There isn't PhDeez or flight. It's Fight or flight, making fighting more important than reading books. Too bad soyboys, fighting still reigns supreme.

 

[Mesos]

MMA fighters! Trust me. Philosophers don't get paid well at all. Not compared to other professors, not even compared to other lecturing faculty, not compared to other PHD students, etc. That's why most philosophy PHDs kinda have to end up choosing other career paths. It's a nice and easy transition to law for the more analytic/continental hybrid philosophers, and it's an easy transition to computer science for the pure analytic philosophers. I think some day, analytic philosophy PHDs will advertise their programs as prep for CS careers, which I'm actually all for but I know others aren't so enthusiastic.

I have a deep personal disdain, or at least an indifference, for continental philosophy. Ironically, I think when most people think philosophy they think continental philosophy. I honestly do think a lot of academic philosophy in that realm is kinda just...differences in opinion + dressing up simple ideas with big words. In that case, I don't have much of a problem with normal people comparing themselves to us.

Now...if you want to compare to whatever they talk about to what I believe to be the good stuff in philosophy, like mathematical logic, philosophy of math, philosophy of science, etc. You're probably out of your depth. We always welcome crossovers from the maths, sciences, and CS as well to transition to philosophy because they too can bring a lot of perspective, but more often "A-level academics." People recognized for excellence in their fields. The average joe, probably not. Now I never went to an ivy league school. But knowing what I know about their rosters of professors, I mean they have some of the absolute best in each of those fields. They do have a smattering, maybe an increasingly large smattering, of the continental philosophers. But right now they still run absolutely stacked rosters. I won't name names, but it's usually a few other smaller philosophy programs that want to be well known at something that get a bunch of the continental school professors and try to be industry leaders in that area, that maybe in my relatively low opinion of them, I'd compare them to jiu jitsu mats.

You echo the sentiments of the science community towards philosophers. There seems to be some eternal scorn that scientist have towards philosophers lol. The philosophy community has made extremely important contributions in academia for centuries. So I dont think they should be looked down on so hard. But yeah there contributions have diminished in more recent times....Like you mentioned though there is still merits to philosophy when its integrated into more specialized fields like in math/science etc.

 

[listrahtes]

Can't wait for Paul Harris's new book of aphorisms.

I d Love to read their philosophical tractats on how roid abuse deepens your wisdom.

The Renzo Guys in general have this crush on pseudo philosophical marketing. I respect Danaher but he is really the worst . He would tell you in 10 000 words how going to the toilet offers profound wisdom about bjj. Some are very skilled there but also huge hypocrit egomaniacs

I remember his text about why he did not shake Avilas Hand. Oh my god. Not that I disagree with all of it. Some criticism was very much called for but he has a way of making everything about himself

 

[trusttheprocess]

Waxing poetic....

What the fuck is this....pussy renzo

 

[Vil7]

I understand Jiu-Jitsu is his livelihood & is important to him but I think a lot of that is a delusion of grandeur.

 

[Rvd Slmr]

I respect Danaher but he is really the worst

Danaher really loves to throw random numbers to sound scientifical. "Considering all the parameters of a real life situation, this manoeuvre has a 25% chance of not working in a street fight", just say that it's a low percentage submission FFS, you haven't actually calculated that.

 

[listrahtes]

Danaher really loves to throw random numbers to sound scientifical. "Considering all the parameters of a real life situation, this manoeuvre has a 25% chance of not working in a street fight", just say that it's a low percentage submission FFS, you haven't actually calculated that.

Yeah basically this. Danaher is the classic pseudo intellectual I often met. Every brilliant mind I ever encountered was able to compress his thoughts into simple to understand short sentences. Its always the mediocre insecure ones who need to trump up their bland ideas with long sentences and convoluted with "complex" words like cronyism..etc.

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

You echo the sentiments of the science community towards philosophers. There seems to be some eternal scorn that scientist have towards philosophers lol. The philosophy community has made extremely important contributions in academia for centuries. So I dont think they should be looked down on so hard. But yeah there contributions have diminished in more recent times....Like you mentioned though there is still merits to philosophy when its integrated into more specialized fields like in math/science etc.

I think there's an eternal scorn that some philosophers have towards other philosophers haha. Philosophy is a very broad field, its corners extend into morals, religions, politics, math, science, language. I think for most people honestly philosophy means ethics. When most people talk about "doing philosophy", they mean reading about the various opinions that old dead people had on what is moral or virtues.

In the 20th century, Logical Positivism dominated the academy, even when the doctrine itself was gone, the vestiges of that way of thought remained. Ethics, metaphysics, and other similar fields felt that it was a dark age. I personally had no problem with that because that's the part of the academy that I would associate with. I know a lot of people who look back on those times with contempt or worse, still believe they're around. But now we're in the age of social movements. I think there's a lot of pressure promote the sub-fields in our department that aren't tied at the hip to logic, math, science, and language. The trade-off is that...the fields being promoted are basically devoid of any consensus technical structure. Their contributions to society are very subjective. I don't blame people who, not knowing that philosophy isn't primarily ethics, look down on us. I would too.

 

[Mesos]

I think there's a lot of pressure promote the sub-fields in our department that aren't tied at the hip to logic, math, science, and language. The trade-off is that...the fields being promoted are basically devoid of any consensus technical structure. Their contributions to society are very subjective. I don't blame people who, not knowing that philosophy isn't primarily ethics, look down on us. I would too.

Big Time. Also those social movements are aggressively taking over some long established facts. Sure they bring on some positive social changes but they also carry this baggage that I cant help but feel that its fueled by emotion not logic.

Those emotional arguments they are making are starting to attempt to challenge, long standing, scientifically proven truths. Especially in matters of gender, sexual identity etc.

Will see what happens with that but it is concerning...