I'm not getting into a gi vs no-gi thing again.
Or instead of being a dick, maybe you can understand a lot of HS wrestlers enjoy no gi jiujitsu. I don't like clothing hindering me, it drives me crazy. I've only done no gi because it appealed to me more based on my background and I'm sure it's the same way for a lot of no gi guys. They're probably ex wrestlers, and/or don't give a shit about the TMA mentality.
That said, I'm going to start training in a Gi once a week, looks fun and heard it will help my no gi game.
I stand by what I said. No gi classes are full of guys who have watched too many UFC events and think that they're going to be pro fighters themselves soon. Most have Tapout rashguards and "extreme" haircuts and lots of shitty tattoos. Most of them don't even last 6 months.
Yeah I have noticed that no-gi classes are usually much less formal than gi classes and lack the discipline aspect of the martial art. I don't really like rolling no-gi with guys I've never met before because the percentage of spazzes and self-proclaimed "leglock specialists" is way too high.
Every no gi class I've ever been to is full of people who won't lost the year. They don't train in the gi "because its gay". I notice they show up to our muay Thai class a lot (not on a regular basis of course). I can't name a single person who has ever gotten to any sort of level of proficiency that only trained no gi.
All I know is if I get paired up with another guy in wrestling shoes next No-Gi tournament I go to I'm throwing knees.
I currently train in no-gi Jiu-Jitsu , but some of my friends say that they wouldn't recognize it unless i was training with a gi.
Is this devaluation a common theme or just the opinion of some people?
All I know is if I get paired up with another guy in wrestling shoes next No-Gi tournament I go to I'm throwing knees.
I can name a few, but they are all professional MMA fighters
i think no-gi grapplers are more adept at adapting to either style personally
I stand by what I said. No gi classes are full of guys who have watched too many UFC events and think that they're going to be pro fighters themselves soon. Most have Tapout rashguards and "extreme" haircuts and lots of shitty tattoos. Most of them don't even last 6 months.
thats about the dumbest thing i've read on here in awhile. . . .
i agree with this.. add also a bad attitude and prance around on a high horse of greatness that they can't back up..
but i don't think the drop out rate is any higher than in my gi class. we go through TONS of white belts... i would even go so far as to say we have lost close to 70 people since i started in our evening classes 9 months ago. we have adult green belts and it's really apparent come belt test time (we have three schools so it's the only way the head instructor can get eyes on everyone before they get belted.. it's almost a waste of time since almost everyone makes it.. but i see the reasoning behind it) when you see 70 people testing for green belt and only 8 going for blue..
That's strange. Perhaps you were comparing higher-level no-gi grapplers to lower-level gi grapplers?
People who only train no gi tend to be douchebags, amateurs, or both.
I currently train in no-gi Jiu-Jitsu , but some of my friends say that they wouldn't recognize it unless i was training with a gi.
Is this devaluation a common theme or just the opinion of some people?
What does 'recognize' mean? If you mean belt rank, its kind of pointless to have belts in no-gi, as you don't wear a belt. And most instructors won't grade you. On the other hand, there are no belt ranks in MMA, boxing, wrestling, or sambo, and it doesn't seem to make any difference. People still seemed to recognize Karelin as a good grappler despite not having any belt rank.
If you become good at no-gi it'll be apparent to your friends when they work out with you. If you submit them no-gi, and they still pretend you know nothing about grappling, then you're just going to laugh at them anyway.
Now if you're saying you're learning BJJ as opposed to grappling, then you have a problem, as BJJ involves a fair amount of gi work, and they could rightfully say you're a good grappler but not a BJJ guy (like Fedor, who's never taken any BJJ at all, but still is a pretty decent grappler, or Barnett, who's mainly a catch guy with a bit of BJJ on the side, but still a good grappler).
Like redaxe says, there are quite a few good no-gi only grapplers, but they're mainly in MMA.
You might want to think that through. If knees are allowed to grounded opponents wrestlers are going to do great - being able to rain down knee's to the top of the skull from N/S or side of the head from side control isn't something you want to get into if you're likely the one who's going to be on your back. People who think knees on the ground is a problem for wrestlers haven't wrestled much - they're not allowed because of the serious spinal injuries and concussions that come from knees to the top of the skull from a N/S position.