Is Stipe overrated?

[Thatlookinhiseyes]

There definitely a difference in how off prime they were I'd agree but Arlovski at that point was along way off the fighter Fedor beat in 2009 and I think Hunt was worse than the version he beat in 2006 as well gassing inside of a round.

The difference as well would be Mir and Rampage would never likely be mentioned as significant parts of Fedor's legacy, the fighters I mentioned are significant parts of Stipes legacy.

I don’t know if i necessarily agree with that. Arlovski was going through a huge resurgence at that point. He had effectively changed his style up. Both scenarios when losing to stipe and fedor, he went on long losing streaks. I personally believe arlovski was at the exact same point in his career as when he fought fedor. The experience he had at the stipe fight I think helped propel his prime. He always had a weak chin, but his defense was so much better compared to the Silvia fights or the fedor fights. To me there’s no difference anyways.
The mark hunt right is really tough to have to. When he fought fedor, also coming off a loss like when he fought stipe. And he had no ground game to speak of. He never really did. So while yes his accolades in k1 were fresher, in mma he got exposed bad. And it’s tough to say if he ever really got better on the ground. Doesn’t seem like it, but you would hope so. But, the one thing that puts the fedor fight higher is that he had never been knocked out. Against stipe, he was coming off the knee tko from Werdum. But he was fresher coming off bigger wins, and still had some big wins afterwards.

In all said and done. I’d put the arlovski and hunt wins at the same level for both stipe and fedor.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I don’t know if i necessarily agree with that. Arlovski was going through a huge resurgence at that point. He had effectively changed his style up. Both scenarios when losing to stipe and fedor, he went on long losing streaks. I personally believe arlovski was at the exact same point in his career as when he fought fedor. The experience he had at the stipe fight I think helped propel his prime. He always had a weak chin, but his defense was so much better compared to the Silvia fights or the fedor fights. To me there’s no difference anyways.
The mark hunt right is really tough to have to. When he fought fedor, also coming off a loss like when he fought stipe. And he had no ground game to speak of. He never really did. So while yes his accolades in k1 were fresher, in mma he got exposed bad. And it’s tough to say if he ever really got better on the ground. Doesn’t seem like it, but you would hope so. But, the one thing that puts the fedor fight higher is that he had never been knocked out. Against stipe, he was coming off the knee tko from Werdum. But he was fresher coming off bigger wins, and still had some big wins afterwards.

In all said and done. I’d put the arlovski and hunt wins at the same level for both stipe and fedor.

Arlovski's run at that point though was KOing a post TRT/Brain Op Bigfoot who had dropped off of a cliff, winning terrible non event decisions vs Mir and Big Brown plus a crazy life and death brawl with Travis. I don't think he looked anything close to as good as his mid/late 00's run..

I wouldnt say Hunt had no ground game just it was rather inconsistent, he pulled off some decent grappling even very early on but was prone to errors. I think people view him via his post Pride run were by his own admission he was barely training and serious personal issues. During his Pride though though I think he was at his peak personally and got his best wins over Mirko and Wand, by the time he fought Stipe he was in his early 40's and his speed/cardio were nowhere close to his Pride run. Stipe didnt need to sub Hunt he just needed to hold him down for a round until he was gassed.

 

[forsh]

I don't think there is really a clear cut Heavyweight GOAT, many would say Fedor I guess.

Yes, it's Fedor.

 

[BFoe]

Also that first Stipe/Jds first fight was super competitive and some ppl thought Stipe won. Id like to re watch that one soon tbh

Those people are crazy. I was at that fight live actually, and easily had JDS winning 3, if not 4 rounds, which is exactly how the judges scored it. It wasn’t till I got online later that I saw that people were considering it controversial, and some scoring it for Stipe. I’ve watched that fight back a few times, because sometimes that’s different than seeing it live—but it wasn’t any different lol.

 

[BFoe]

I have Stipe ranked as probably the #2 HW of all time, #3 at worst. I don’t think he’s overrated. He’s not the HW GOAT, but is one of the absolute best HWs of all time.