Is Judo dead?

[BJJ_Rage]

Is it because of the UFC? :icon_lol:

I just meant what made you think that, and if US/Canada Judo sites said that then that's good enuff.

It's really a no brainier... The n1 reason of people joining martial arts clubs is to learn how to fight, and Bjj is all over the UFC as is wrestling, so which art do you think Americans or people that are looking for self defence will chose? Rhadi gave a good interwiew about this topic...

 

[lechien]

good info lechien. Thanks.

Can you say what area of the world you are from?

Auckland, NZ.

 

[weedreference]

The main reason is that I think the a lot of Judo instructors tend to be overly traditional martial artsish for the modern generation. The guy I trained under had a wealth of knowledge, but was a complete asshole, so I just gained proficiency in a few techniques and never went back. It has really helped my BJJ though.

Also Judo is painful and there are tons of injuries compared with BJJ.

 

[richp860]

It's really a no brainier... The n1 reason of people joining martial arts clubs is to learn how to fight, and Bjj is all over the UFC as is wrestling, so which art do you think Americans or people that are looking for self defence will chose? Rhadi gave a good interwiew about this topic...

I'll be a happy man the day people realize that there is a difference between "fighting" and "self-defense".

 

[lechien]

yeah, I trained Karate in the past and I noticed that I became wary of the traditional martial attitude.

 

[Q mystic]

It's really a no brainier... The n1 reason of people joining martial arts clubs is to learn how to fight, and Bjj is all over the UFC as is wrestling, so which art do you think Americans or people that are looking for self defence will chose? Rhadi gave a good interwiew about this topic...

Yeah, actually I see this as a large part of the problem of dying judo here. Some guys do pop into the judo clubs, bjjers too. I do believe that had some popped into some of the 90s judo clubs, when there were many more members, they would have appreciated it more.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

I'll be a happy man the day people realize that there is a difference between "fighting" and "self-defense".

The best self defence system is to learn how to fight, add that a couple of weeks of Krav Maga for the awareness and psych thing bs you are good to go. I literally take. Big ass shit on selfdefense systems that claim they are too deathly to "fight" sorry if I offended you.

 

[richp860]

The best self defence system is to learn how to fight, add that a couple of weeks of Krav Maga for the awareness and psych thing bs you are good to go. I literally take. Big ass shit on selfdefense systems that claim they are too deathly to "fight" sorry if I offended you.

You've much to learn, young Jedi. I'd be rather training with Tony Blauer than any MMA camp for Combatives/self-defense purposes any day of the week.

The problem with your claim is that it goes against years of research and empirical evidence.

 

[PoundSand]

I don't know if Judo is dying, but it's pretty easy to explain why it's not as popular as bjj. It's because judo clubs are typically not run as businesses. You want to join a judo club? Well, first good luck finding one. No advertising, judoforum is dead, etc. When you do find one, you typically find that it's open only a couple hours, 2-3 days a week. So you call during those times, but of course nobody answers as they're busy practicing.

Compare all this to bjj these days- multiple clubs, advertising, nice websites. While there are "part time" clubs, many are real businesses that are actually open every day, most of the day, with someone to answer your questions.

BJJ just makes it much easier to actually get started!

 

[Q mystic]

I don't know if Judo is dying, but it's pretty easy to explain why it's not as popular as bjj. It's because judo clubs are typically not run as businesses. You want to join a judo club? Well, first good luck finding one. No advertising, judoforum is dead, etc. When you do find one, you typically find that it's open only a couple hours, 2-3 days a week. So you call during those times, but of course nobody answers as they're busy practicing.

Compare all this to bjj these days- multiple clubs, advertising, nice websites. While there are "part time" clubs, many are real businesses that are actually open every day, most of the day, with someone to answer your questions.

BJJ just makes it much easier to actually get started!

Excellent, excellent, point Pound. I hear you there. Massive on convenience. Open gyms/mats/weightroom.. all other hours...etc.

also, here is the 'new' judoforum....

http://judo.forumsmotion.com/

 

[DaGenius]

In LA we have great judo options and some big judo schools but there are just so many Bjj gyms (along with mma gyms with Bjj programs) that the ratio must be way in favor of Bjj

 

[oyaji poi]

I don't know if Judo is dying, but it's pretty easy to explain why it's not as popular as bjj. It's because judo clubs are typically not run as businesses. You want to join a judo club? Well, first good luck finding one. No advertising, judoforum is dead, etc. When you do find one, you typically find that it's open only a couple hours, 2-3 days a week. So you call during those times, but of course nobody answers as they're busy practicing.

Compare all this to bjj these days- multiple clubs, advertising, nice websites. While there are "part time" clubs, many are real businesses that are actually open every day, most of the day, with someone to answer your questions.

BJJ just makes it much easier to actually get started!

This is all true, but the convenience comes with a huge price tag: It costs the same to train judo for a year as it does at many bjj places for a month.

$100-200 a year for fees is normal for judo, and also normal as monthly bjj fees.



The coaches are usually volunteers as well.

 

[FlexLuthor]

Judo will die because the rules suck. I would much rather compete in a Bjj/sub grappling comp and try to throw in that setting.

 

[armlock]

I have no idea how someone could be more interested in Judo. Seems boring. You must get a promotion by just learning about all the rules.

 

[Q mystic]

This is all true, but the convenience comes with a huge price tag: It costs the same to train judo for a year as it does at many bjj places for a month.

$100-200 a year for fees is normal for judo, and also normal as monthly bjj fees.



The coaches are usually volunteers as well.

True and good point but many bjj clubs, that run many, many hours, have volunteers as well(a key, free membership, a stipend..etc). It seems a pretty good concept sometimes to let not just the sensei or coach to bear everything. Which I guess might be more difficult for judo tho, regarding insurance.

 

[ElKarlo]

In the US, it is small. Prolly wrestlings fault.

Anyhow, in my gym there is a new Judo program that opened up. I doubt that you will see just Judo dojos open up in the US. They will be a program inside an existing gym

 

[Q mystic]

I have no idea how someone could be more interested in Judo. Seems boring. You must get a promotion by just learning about all the rules.

It isn't tho armlock. It just starts a little slow and then all the speed and power you like. The rules aren't that big of a deal. Mostly to hi-comp fellas.

edit. Sry, I've been told what you said many times so I think I am wrong and believe now that they are an issue. Kudos.

 

[shunyata]

To me, the most interesting thing about judo right now is adapting it to nogi bjj / mma.

Very few judoka seem to share the sentiment, and frankly this is the direction for it to evolve and thrive. The IJF will only the strangle the spirit of the original Kodokan in their quest for purity in judo.

 

[ElKarlo]

I agree. The lack of training partners is huge.

I went to a Judo dojo nearby years ago. Was opened in the 50's. The pic from back then, was with guys who now, would be doing MMA/BJJ. Now it's mostly kids, and older guys.

 

[Q mystic]

To me, the most interesting thing about judo right now is adapting it to nogi bjj / mma.

Very few judoka seem to share the sentiment, and frankly this is the direction for it to evolve and thrive. The IJF will only the strangle the spirit of the original Kodokan in their quest for purity in judo.

Judoka have adapt experience for years and years already to wrestling, shunyata. Since then, we have also seen judoka in mma and I still don't see any indication of why they need to adapt to nogi, at judo. They do just fine there from observation. It sounds like you would say wrestling has to allow subs.(?)


It's too easy to adapt to nogi. I think many are trying to throw w/o gi before they even learn to thro in gi and that's an issue.

But, I understand that you think it would help memberships if judo offered nogi. Fair enuff.