Is Fury now the clear 2nd greatest heavyweight of his generation?

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

lets let history be the judge, if forty years from now they still think he's greater a puncher than foreman, louis and Shaver's ok, but not as of today.

It's all subjective anyway. Wilder & Foreman have two completely different types of power (heavy thudding vs one-punch lights out power). Fans, even those with an axe to grind with Wilder, should at least respect Teddy Atlas' opinion on the matter. He's been actively involved in this sport for the last 50 years. One of the (now banned) old school pro boxers that used to post in this forum @sweetviolenturg said the same thing. He'd never seen the type of power Wilder was packing at heavyweight.

 

[mozfonky]

It's all subjective anyway. Wilder & Foreman have two completely different types of power (heavy thudding vs one-punch lights out power). Fans, even those with an axe to grind with Wilder, should at least respect Teddy Atlas' opinion on the matter. He's been actively involved in this sport for the last 50 years. One of the (now banned) old school pro boxers that used to post in this forum @sweetviolenturg said the same thing. He'd never seen the type of power Wilder was packing at heavyweight.

I said from the beginning how I'd seen boxers over the years who's kayo ratio would drop dramatically once they started figting good fighters, sometimes to the point where they started to become known as average or not really special punchers. I said that in regards to Wilder but I've seen guys who were kayoing everyone they were fighting until they fought good fighters. Ever hear of Milton McCrory? was kayoing everyone until he started fighting good fighters, Tyson was kayoing everyone in the first round until he fought Jesse Ferguson who was never much more than a journeyman, and then he went to a decision, almost losing against Quick. The class of fighter matters, and the class of fighters around hasn't been very good for a long time.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I said from the beginning how I'd seen boxers over the years who's kayo ratio would drop dramatically once they started figting good fighters, sometimes to the point where they started to become known as average or not really special punchers. I said that in regards to Wilder but I've seen guys who were kayoing everyone they were fighting until they fought good fighters. Ever hear of Milton McCrory? was kayoing everyone until he started fighting good fighters, Tyson was kayoing everyone in the first round until he fought Jesse Ferguson who was never much more than a journeyman, and then he went to a decision, almost losing against Quick. The class of fighter matters, and the class of fighters around hasn't been very good for a long time.

The class of fighter does matter but we've also seen some of Wilder's mutual opponents in with other actually proven big punchers that couldn't dispose of them that easily. Far from it. For example, watch Joshua's fights against Breazeale & Helenius and then look at how easily Wilder obliterated them. They couldn't even make it out of the first round.

 

[mozfonky]

The class of fighter does matter but we've also seen some of Wilder's mutual opponents in with other actually proven big punchers that couldn't dispose of them that easily. Far from it. For example, watch Joshua's fights against Breazeale & Helenius and then look at how easily Wilder obliterated them. They couldn't even make it out of the first round.

class of fighter matters alot. That's why guys stop knocking out people all of the sudden, I've seen it happen many times over the years. Wilder I've never liked so you're not going to get me to give him credit for much of anything. He did have a ton of heart, there have been much greater fighters with a lot more skills who didn't have the bravery he showed against Fury, outside of that, I'm not giving him anything. We'll see if he's talked about in the future.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

class of fighter matters alot. That's why guys stop knocking out people all of the sudden, I've seen it happen many times over the years. Wilder I've never liked so you're not going to get me to give him credit for much of anything. He did have a ton of heart, there have been much greater fighters with a lot more skills who didn't have the bravery he showed against Fury, outside of that, I'm not giving him anything. We'll see if he's talked about in the future.

Fury himself said that Wilder's power was unmatched. He hit him harder than Klitschko, Whyte, Ngannou, etc. David Haye sparred Wilder. He said he'd never felt anything like it. This is on top of the multiple shared opponents that other proven big punchers found tougher to finish. Wilder's skills failed him as far as I'm concerned. It wasn't his power.

 

[mozfonky]

Fury himself said that Wilder's power was unmatched. He hit him harder than Klitschko, Whyte, Ngannou, etc. David Haye sparred Wilder. He said he'd never felt anything like it. This is on top of the multiple shared opponents that other proven big punchers found tougher to finish. Wilder's skills failed him as far as I'm concerned. It wasn't his power.

Well, i've said my piece, probably not the last time where I'll have to go through this about wilder being the greatest puncher of all time.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Well, i've said my piece, probably not the last time where I'll have to go through this about wilder being the greatest puncher of all time.

Foreman was probably the heaviest puncher. Him or Shavers. Different type of power than Wilder has. However, let's think critically for a second about Foreman. Almost every single opponent he faced he was bigger than. I only know of a few that were bigger and outweighed him. Wilder has been outweighed by almost every opponent. Often significantly. Just something to think about.

 

[Mujeriego]

Foreman was probably the heaviest puncher. Him or Shavers. Different type of power than Wilder has. However, let's think critically for a second about Foreman. Almost every single opponent he faced he was bigger than. I only know of a few that were bigger and outweighed him. Wilder has been outweighed by almost every opponent. Often significantly. Just something to think about.

Yea but hes 6'7. Leverage counts as well. Hes not a little guy by any means.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Yea but hes 6'7. Leverage counts as well. Hes not a little guy by any means.

He's not little but he's underweight. On average a whole lot lighter than the typical top heavyweight today (about 250 lbs). Wilder's heaviest is only like 230'ish if I recall. His lightest weight is around 208 or so.

 

[StopDucking]

Wilder doesn’t have a different kind of power than Foreman, he just has less power.

For Wilder to hit hard, he needs to put his whole body into the shot and have enough space to gain velocity. Stay close to him and he can’t hurt you.

Foreman can knock out anyone with both hands at any distance. His arm punches at close range have as much power as Wilder’s haymakers.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

*Cough* You guys were saying?

Foreman: “It’s hard to say [if Wilder is the biggest puncher] of all-time. Joe Louis was the biggest knuckle-cruncher there is. Wilder is developing that kind of power. He's hitting a lot harder than I did with the right hand - that’s for certain.”

Foreman: “In my day, with that right hand that he throws - I’ve never seen that before. That right hand is powerful, and he could have probably knocked out anyone at any time in the heavyweight division - it don’t matter if it was George Foreman, Mike Tyson Joe Frazier, anyone could have gotten it from him.”

Foreman: Wilder-Joshua Would Be Biggest Heavyweight Fight Ever

 

[StopDucking]

*Cough* You guys were saying?

Foreman: “It’s hard to say [if Wilder is the biggest puncher] of all-time. Joe Louis was the biggest knuckle-cruncher there is. Wilder is developing that kind of power. He's hitting a lot harder than I did with the right hand - that’s for certain.”

Foreman: “In my day, with that right hand that he throws - I’ve never seen that before. That right hand is powerful, and he could have probably knocked out anyone at any time in the heavyweight division - it don’t matter if it was George Foreman, Mike Tyson Joe Frazier, anyone could have gotten it from him.”

Foreman: Wilder-Joshua Would Be Biggest Heavyweight Fight Ever

That’s not what the fights show.

Foreman generates tons of power with his punches without throwing power punches. If he threw hails maries like Wilder does, the damage would be even greater.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

That’s not what the fights show.

Foreman generates tons of power with his punches without throwing power punches. If he threw hails maries like Wilder does, the damage would be even greater.

Sure. I'm going to go with Foreman's educated opinion on this one. Looks like Teddy wasn't so crazy after all. Glad this debate has finally been settled.

 

[StopDucking]

Sure. I'm going to go with Foreman's educated opinion on this one. Looks like Teddy wasn't so crazy after all. Glad this debate has finally been settled.

Next time, just say you have confirmation bias from the get go so I don’t waste my time.

 

[nonoob]

it is, turns my stomach. Can you imagine Larry Holmes getting knocked down in a boxing match by Hulk Hogan? Just awful and depressing because, well, because I love this sport.

The Easton Assassin would have Obliterated Hogan. Boxing fans were awed from Mike Tyson's very 1st fight until his prison demise.
Fury's boxing IMHO never was that impressive, but gotta give him, and John, credit for his his respected first name and his former unbeaten run.

 

[wwkirk]

Sure. I'm going to go with Foreman's educated opinion on this one.

Is that the best way to look at it? How about Foreman wants to give Wilder props, and has no need to toot his own horn at this point?

 

[baconCrunch]

foreman is being humble, and trying to credit the younger generation.
but fact is wilder is one of the most overrated, one trick fighters of our generation. the results speak for itself.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Dude almost KO'd himself

 

[cuban23]

He needs to fight AJ to secure that title.

 

[r-harper-1]

Teddy Atlas among others. Fans don't want to admit it but he knows a thing or two about punching power. He's seen Foreman's power up close. He used to train Mike Tyson. Whether he still views Wilder that way? I don't know. He said it 5 years ago.

Ridiculous…..Wilder has 2 decent wins …..Imagine if Foreman fought that quality of opposition