Fury by KO

the brits i'm seeing, Anthony joshua had it 95-95, midfight, don't know who he thought one, Hamed thought the rubber match was called for, the brits are everywhere on social media claiming larceny.
Joshua scored it for Usyk by 1 point. He didn't want to score it too wide for Usyk because Fury is a future opponent of his. That's my opinion. Have you seen the media & fan scoring? It's not close.
 
Yup, Ali used to do that in his late career as champ, he pulled out a lot of fights at the end (some he didn't deserve) he valiantly tried it with Leon Spinks when it sunk in that he was gonna lose to a guy with 8 fights, Spinks still kicked his ass in that last round. And I think one judge still managed to give the fight to Ali when he didn't really win a round.
Yea but Ali sort of gets a pass, because he was beautiful to watch. Even late in his career not nearly as lethargic as Fury.
 
Joshua scored it for Usyk by 1 point. He didn't want to score it too wide for Usyk because Fury is a future opponent of his. That's my opinion. Have you seen the media & fan scoring? It's not close.
nope haven't seen it nd no it shouldn't be close. It looked like an 8-4, 9-3 fight. Some rounds, like the first fight were hard to score so you just give it to the guy who may have landed good flurry. Again, not an action packed fight.
 
Yea but Ali sort of gets a pass, because he was beautiful to watch. Even late in his career not nearly as lethargic as Fury.
Ali was such a star by the end they gave him breaks he didn't deserve, maybe not as many as some people think but the 3rd Norton fight was a gift, the young and shavers fights were not as clearcut as that one. Truth be told, these guys get old and they get sick of the grind and that's what I thought of when I watched usyk-fury 2. they said fury has been fighting as a pro for 16 years, that's a long time. In many cases, it has to be a mental fatigue more than age or deterioration.
 
nope haven't seen it nd no it shouldn't be close. It looked like an 8-4, 9-3 fight. Some rounds, like the first fight were hard to score so you just give it to the guy who may have landed good flurry. Again, not an action packed fight.
That's what it was an 8-4 type of fight (116-112) Usyk. It's the most popular fan score, one of the most popular among the media, and all 3 official judges scored it the same. That's why I find it funny that anyone who thinks Fury won 6+ rounds is high. He didn't land enough and Usyk controlled the fight.
 
Also I wouldn't say that Ali ever fought the wrong fight. He just couldn't kill it anymore as he was affected by various medical issues as he got older.
 
That's what it was an 8-4 type of fight (116-112) Usyk. It's the most popular fan score, one of the most popular among the media, and all 3 official judges scored it the same. That's why I find it funny that anyone who thinks Fury won 6+ rounds is high. He didn't land enough and Usyk controlled the fight.
it was sorta illusory, Mike Tyson used to say blocking with gloves "looks bad to the fans, looks bad to the judges" and I guess it does make it look like damage is being done. Mike said it in regards to Julio Cesar Chavez and giving his reason why Jeff Fenech was getting his vote as the then current PFP (outside of himself). Of course, Tyson, who's main think was headmovement, would prefer a guy who doesn't block punches with his guard up. Usyk is clever defensively, nice high hands, strange little parry with his right, which I only ever saw in martial arts, where he swings his right to his right to block a jab.

Here's Tarver's take, Tarver never been a favorite in the ring but smart guy:

 
Also I wouldn't say that Ali ever fought the wrong fight. He just couldn't kill it anymore as he was affected by various medical issues as he got older.
he was, and he just was sick of training. As far as the ring damage, he was definitely dealing with it from at least 75, he'd had some tough wars by then and plenty of sparring. Miraculously, still don't really know how he did it, danced on those old legs for 15 rounds more than he did even in his prime to beat spinks in the rematch, at 224, guy was phenomenal.
 
it was sorta illusory, Mike Tyson used to say blocking with gloves "looks bad to the fans, looks bad to the judges" and I guess it does make it look like damage is being done. Mike said it in regards to Julio Cesar Chavez and giving his reason why Jeff Fenech was getting his vote as the then current PFP (outside of himself). Of course, Tyson, who's main think was headmovement, would prefer a guy who doesn't block punches with his guard up. Usyk is clever defensively, nice high hands, strange little parry with his right, which I only ever saw in martial arts, where he swings his right to his right to block a jab.

Here's Tarver's take, Tarver never been a favorite in the ring but smart guy:


I agree with Tarver that Usyk won by (at least) a couple rounds and that he landed the cleaner more effective shots. Yeah, Usyk does do a lot of clever stuff. I've studied film on him. Defensively he knows how to slip, block, roll, parry & catch shots or use his footwork to evade punches. Like that little half-step back he was using against Fury in this fight. It made him fall short and then he'd look to counter.
 
I agree with Tarver that Usyk won by (at least) a couple rounds and that he landed the cleaner more effective shots. Yeah, Usyk does do a lot of clever stuff. I've studied film on him. Defensively he knows how to slip, block, roll, parry & catch shots or use his footwork to evade punches. Like that little half-step back he was using against Fury in this fight. It made him fall short and then he'd look to counter.
ya, he's got some great moves. I'd say the harder shots were landed by fury but they didn't really shake usyk and they weren't enough to win anything, not even some of the rounds they landed in, like someone in those vids said, no matter what fury would do, usyk would raise him.

It was good for the sport on the whole. No one is clamoring for a third but it didn't hurt the sport. Is a rematch in the contract?

oh lord, speak of the devil, here come the brits wanting a third.

 
ya, he's got some great moves. I'd say the harder shots were landed by fury but they didn't really shake usyk and they weren't enough to win anything, not even some of the rounds they landed in, like someone in those vids said, no matter what fury would do, usyk would raise him.

It was good for the sport on the whole. No one is clamoring for a third but it didn't hurt the sport. Is a rematch in the contract?

oh lord, speak of the devil, here come the brits wanting a third.


Fury's punches seemed heavier but that's due to the huge weight advantage he had. The cleaner and sharper shots were landed by Usyk. He was able to snap Fury's head back and drill him with accurate shots to the body the latter at will. Fury's defense against body shots is terrible. It's a lot easier to land there than it is to the head when the other guy is so much longer and taller. Usyk knew this and took full advantage.

There's no rematch clause. There was in the first fight which is how he got this one. I doubt Fury will get a third fight. Usyk sounds like he wants to fight the winner of Dubois vs Parker next. If it's Dubois then it'll be a rematch. There's nothing left for Usyk. He's just giving rematches at this point.

If he's smart he'll retire. He just made over $100 million for this fight alone. The highest rated guys in the division he's already beaten. There's only one direction in which he can go now and that's down. Why risk your undefeated record when you've already accomplished your goal (undisputed) and made more money than you could ever spend?
 
Fury's punches seemed heavier but that's due to the huge weight advantage he had. The cleaner and sharper shots were landed by Usyk. He was able to snap Fury's head back and drill him with accurate shots to the body the latter at will. Fury's defense against body shots is terrible. It's a lot easier to land there than it is to the head when the other guy is so much longer and taller. Usyk knew this and took full advantage.

There's no rematch clause. There was in the first fight which is how he got this one. I doubt Fury will get a third fight. Usyk sounds like he wants to fight the winner of Dubois vs Parker next. If it's Dubois then it'll be a rematch. There's nothing left for Usyk. He's just giving rematches at this point.

If he's smart he'll retire. He just made over $100 million for this fight alone. The highest rated guys in the division he's already beaten. There's only one direction in which he can go now and that's down. Why risk your undefeated record when you've already accomplished your goal (undisputed) and made more money than you could ever spend?
poor guy, if he's like fighters of the past, he'll squander that money on his countrymen/people. That's usually what keeps 'em coming back whether its Robinson, Louis, Ali or Pac and Mayweather. Fighters are usually goodhearted to a fault.
 
poor guy, if he's like fighters of the past, he'll squander that money on his countrymen/people. That's usually what keeps 'em coming back whether its Robinson, Louis, Ali or Pac and Mayweather. Fighters are usually goodhearted to a fault.
Many are too generous with their people and don't know when to hang 'em up. I hope Usyk realizes what he's risking by sticking around. It'd be a perfect storybook ending to retire on top and undefeated as a two-division undisputed champion. Especially to do so as heavyweight champ. The only other heavyweight champ to go out on top was Marciano.
 
ya, he's got some great moves. I'd say the harder shots were landed by fury but they didn't really shake usyk and they weren't enough to win anything, not even some of the rounds they landed in, like someone in those vids said, no matter what fury would do, usyk would raise him.

It was good for the sport on the whole. No one is clamoring for a third but it didn't hurt the sport. Is a rematch in the contract?

oh lord, speak of the devil, here come the brits wanting a third.



Yeah, they both rise to their opposition tbh.

Usyk is just a bit better, at least now, so Fury can't rise as much.

I just rewatched the Usyk v Chisora right the other day... honestly, anyone who thinks Usyk easily won that should go re-watch it that's all I'll say lol. And the commentary was so biased, despite thinking it would be in favour of Chisora @ British... totally not; Chisora was bashing him around the ring, had him ducking and huffing n puffing, much more than Fury has tbh, and, landing... and zippo, then Usyk would throw like 1 nothing jab and it was like 'OMG A MASTERCLASS FROM USYK'.



Honestly would not even be a bad call to say Chisora took it, or a draw at least.

I also think Ngannou beat Fury.

But then, they fight each other and rise to each other. Usyk v Fury 2 looked like a fkn impeccable machine vs. how he did against Chisora. And anyone who believes Usyk's line about 'maybe he was a bit shit on purpose' is retarded, he's just embarrassed that Derek Chisora gave him such a tough night.
 
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Yeah, they both rise to their opposition tbh.

Usyk is just a bit better, at least now, so Fury can't rise as much.

I just rewatched the Usyk v Chisora right the other day... honestly, anyone who thinks Usyk easily won that should go re-watch it that's all I'll say lol. And the commentary was so biased, despite thinking it would be in favour of Chisora @ British... totally not; Chisora was bashing him around the ring, had him ducking and huffing n puffing, much more than Fury has tbh, and, landing... and zippo, then Usyk would throw like 1 nothing jab and it was like 'OMG A MASTERCLASS FROM USYK'.



Honestly would not even be a bad call to say Chisora took it, or a draw at least.

I also think Ngannou beat Fury.

But then, they fight each other and rise to each other. Usyk v Fury 2 looked like a fkn impeccable machine vs. how he did against Chisora.

Nope, never saw much of usyk. After big win in recent years, people are always apt to say, "he's one of the greats" or "he's invincible" or "he's the best yadayada". He's the best heavyweight right now, why can't that be enough?

Who beats him? Well, just like who beats anyone, whoever can land either more or powerful enough a punch. Usyk has solid defense, hard to hit clean, southpaw who knows how to maximize the stance. Let's see someone punish him to the body, maybe try to bring those hands down, he has a good chin but let's see it checked, lets see him have to fight out of a hole. Not everyone can turn things round when they are losing, has he done that? Some awesome fighters couldn't and it counts against them. or..., he's 38, he can just retire.

Great analysis:
 
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Nope, never saw much of usyk. After big win in recent years, people are always apt to say, "he's one of the greats" or "he's invincible" or "he's the best yadayada". He's the best heavyweight right now, why can't that be enough?

Who beats him? Well, just like who beats anyone, whoever can land either more or powerful enough a punch. Usyk has solid defense, hard to hit clean, southpaw who knows how to maximize the stance. Let's see someone punish him to the body, maybe try to bring those hands down, he has a good chin but let's see it checked, lets see him have to fight out of a hole. Not everyone can turn things round when they are losing, has he done that? Some awesome fighters couldn't and it counts against them. or..., he's 38, he can just retire.

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Yeah. He's just about the best heavyweight right now. I think most of the greats beat him.

He's not close to invincible. Anyone who wins fights by 1 or 2 rounds, and rounds by 1 or 2 punches and last minute flurries; split-decisions... is very beatable. He's just winning.

I think Dubois, with his newfound confidence and having come through Miller, Hrgović & battering Joshua - and knowing he can hurt Usyk - can definitely do it.
 
He's not close to invincible. Anyone who wins fights by 1 or 2 rounds, and rounds by 1 or 2 punches and last minute flurries; split-decisions... is very beatable. He's just winning.

I think Dubois, with his newfound confidence and having come through Miller, Hrgović & battering Joshua - and knowing he can hurt Usyk - can definitely do it.
i know, but that's the common thing to do these days. not too long ago people were saying wilder was the hardest puncher ever, now he'd be lucky to be in the running and that's something that will not get better with time.
 
Yeah. He's just about the best heavyweight right now. I think most of the greats beat him.

He's not close to invincible. Anyone who wins fights by 1 or 2 rounds, and rounds by 1 or 2 punches and last minute flurries; split-decisions... is very beatable. He's just winning.
There is some truth to this.
 
watched this again this morning and i didnt give Fury a round after the 6th, and Usyk won a couple of early rounds, not a close fight really
 
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