Is 35 the cursed aged due to biology or experience?

Lol. 16 year olds are boys. Most of them are still growing and definitely haven’t developed any significant muscle mass yet. It would be murder to let them fight 30 year old men.

Also, most fighters start training in MMA or other full contact combat sports around that age. Most sane people don’t send their 7 year old boys to MMA gyms to become cagefighters, lol.

You need at least 3-4 years to develop any martial art to a high level. Because we have 3 different areas in MMA- striking, wrestling and BJJ, a fighter would most likely peak in their skill set in about 9-12 years.

Given that most fighters start training at around 16, they will most likely hit their prime around 25- 28 and most will continue to develop and gain experience till around 33- 35.

The average, high school sports playing 16 year old "boy" would beat the average 30 year old "crossfit" man in a fight. The 16 year old will be way more physically explosive. If 16 offends you up it to 18. I'll repeat: the average high school varsity athlete, would beat the average 30 year old "in shape gym goer" in a fight; will have way better recovery, way better reflexes, and more natural explosiveness.

For fighters, yeah fighters need to acquire skills. But this is purely physical I am talking about. Let's say fighters started training as little kids like the do in the Caucasus and acquired the skills early. THE physical prime as far as bone structure being mature (yeah there are some late bloomers that take longer but most boys have mature bone structure by the time they are 16 or 17), healing ability, explosiveness, heart strength, nervous system etc will be the ages of 16 to 24. The reason most people here say fighters "peak" in the late twenties or early thirties is because they had to spend their entire early twenties working their way through the ranks before they can finally get to the championship level. most fighters only fight two or three times a year a most. That and the skill development can offset the at first small losses in physical abilities in the mid to late twenties - especially given that most western mma fighters don't start training as kids but instead much later in life.

I know, people don't like to hear this. the mostly thirty or forty something year old men on this board don't like to hear this. but it is fact. And, by the way there is nothing stopint 16, 17 and 18 year old males from putting on a ton of muscle and fast. They just need the proper training regimen and a caloric surplus diet - which being in school tends to make difficult. But there is nothing physical stopping it from happening and happening fast.
 
100% we do, a lot of people don't understand it 'cause most of them never got off their ass until their mid thirties. But if you'd have started something physical when you were younger, you would know.

This. Have been an athlete since I first learned to walk and that has not changed into middle age. I can say, through experience, that the natural, physical athletic prime is between the ages of 16 to 24 (it can be a few years later for some males if the bone structure is not yet mature i.e. "late bloomers" although the hormones and recovery will be there by 16. but bone structure is important and some males don't hit mature height and bone structure until as late as their early twenties - although this unfortunately does not extend the mid twenties end of the true athletic prime). It's not like I physically dropped off a cliff at the age of 25; but it is where I began noticing it and it has become a little bit more noticeable with every passing year.

Again: I am still athletic and in shape to this day. It's just that i'm only a shadow of what I was during those prime years.
 
This. Have been an athlete since I first learned to walk and that has not changed into middle age. I can say, through experience, that the natural, physical athletic prime is between the ages of 16 to 24 (it can be a few years later for some males if the bone structure is not yet mature i.e. "late bloomers" although the hormones and recovery will be there by 16. but bone structure is important and some males don't hit mature height and bone structure until as late as their early twenties - although this unfortunately does not extend the mid twenties end of the true athletic prime). It's not like I physically dropped off a cliff at the age of 25; but it is where I began noticing it and it has become a little bit more noticeable with every passing year.

Again: I am still athletic and in shape to this day. It's just that i'm only a shadow of what I was during those prime years.
Everyone is different…..my prime was 21 until 32
 
The average, high school sports playing 16 year old "boy" would beat the average 30 year old "crossfit" man in a fight. The 16 year old will be way more physically explosive. If 16 offends you up it to 18. I'll repeat: the average high school varsity athlete, would beat the average 30 year old "in shape gym goer" in a fight; will have way better recovery, way better reflexes, and more natural explosiveness.

For fighters, yeah fighters need to acquire skills. But this is purely physical I am talking about. Let's say fighters started training as little kids like the do in the Caucasus and acquired the skills early. THE physical prime as far as bone structure being mature (yeah there are some late bloomers that take longer but most boys have mature bone structure by the time they are 16 or 17), healing ability, explosiveness, heart strength, nervous system etc will be the ages of 16 to 24. The reason most people here say fighters "peak" in the late twenties or early thirties is because they had to spend their entire early twenties working their way through the ranks before they can finally get to the championship level. most fighters only fight two or three times a year a most. That and the skill development can offset the at first small losses in physical abilities in the mid to late twenties - especially given that most western mma fighters don't start training as kids but instead much later in life.

I know, people don't like to hear this. the mostly thirty or forty something year old men on this board don't like to hear this. but it is fact. And, by the way there is nothing stopint 16, 17 and 18 year old males from putting on a ton of muscle and fast. They just need the proper training regimen and a caloric surplus diet - which being in school tends to make difficult. But there is nothing physical stopping it from happening and happening fast.
My son is 17 …..has always played sports and is an athletic big kid …..I would beat the brakes off him in a fight …..You’re acting like your experiences are true across the board
 
It's technique....but most importantly don't get koed at a late age...

Anderson goofing around and ended his chin

Them throwing wanderlei in with Mark hunt

Chuck liddell throwing a naked looping body punch and not covering his chin or moving his head against rampage

Dan Henderson is not fast his head movement is iffy

But he tucks that chin and he's never been koed cold he got tkoed by vitor but he was old and wasn't unconscious for minutes.

Volkswagen did not protect himself ..hands not up and chin now down
 
More energy throughout the day, more strength, lifting more in the gym, metabolism working much faster, morning woods everyday just like when I was a teen, shredding more (though already had been working out last 4 months lifting weights 40 mins a day, 1 hour cardio and dieting seriously but it accelerated considerably)

What's the dosage you are taking?
Is it prescrbed by a doctor or a gym bro?
 
The average, high school sports playing 16 year old "boy" would beat the average 30 year old "crossfit" man in a fight. The 16 year old will be way more physically explosive. If 16 offends you up it to 18. I'll repeat: the average high school varsity athlete, would beat the average 30 year old "in shape gym goer" in a fight; will have way better recovery, way better reflexes, and more natural explosiveness.

For fighters, yeah fighters need to acquire skills. But this is purely physical I am talking about. Let's say fighters started training as little kids like the do in the Caucasus and acquired the skills early. THE physical prime as far as bone structure being mature (yeah there are some late bloomers that take longer but most boys have mature bone structure by the time they are 16 or 17), healing ability, explosiveness, heart strength, nervous system etc will be the ages of 16 to 24. The reason most people here say fighters "peak" in the late twenties or early thirties is because they had to spend their entire early twenties working their way through the ranks before they can finally get to the championship level. most fighters only fight two or three times a year a most. That and the skill development can offset the at first small losses in physical abilities in the mid to late twenties - especially given that most western mma fighters don't start training as kids but instead much later in life.

I know, people don't like to hear this. the mostly thirty or forty something year old men on this board don't like to hear this. but it is fact. And, by the way there is nothing stopint 16, 17 and 18 year old males from putting on a ton of muscle and fast. They just need the proper training regimen and a caloric surplus diet - which being in school tends to make difficult. But there is nothing physical stopping it from happening and happening fast.

BS.
30 yo is close to prime, but you have experience and man's psychology.
You know your body, you know technique and know how to fight.

Most 16-18 can't even look a 30 yo in the eye, the difference in energy and presence is too big.
 
I'm 36. Just being alive is quite exhausting both physically and mentally. I've never been particularly athletic through my life so I'm sure these guys manage their decline better but there is a very noticeable and real difference in energy between 20s and 30s for sure. Good thing for me is that the average age of a HW championship winner is prob mid 30s so there's still time for me
 
What's the dosage you are taking?
Is it prescrbed by a doctor or a gym bro?
By a doctor as I just want my levels back up, not get super jacked. Plus I have excellent genetics so I really wasn't aiming to use it for beach muscles, but it's def. helping a lot. Lol
 
My son is 17 …..has always played sports and is an athletic big kid …..I would beat the brakes off him in a fight …..You’re acting like your experiences are true across the board

Fighting is also very mental as well and technique based. But, just talking about pure athletic ability; things like explosiveness, nervous system, reflexes, healing ability, strength of the heart, etc. I would reckon your son has advantages on you in those areas.

BS.
30 yo is close to prime, but you have experience and man's psychology.
You know your body, you know technique and know how to fight.

Most 16-18 can't even look a 30 yo in the eye, the difference in energy and presence is too big.

lol at athletic 16-18 year old males not being able to look a 30 year old male in the eye. if anything the difference in energy and presence, on average, is in favor of the 16-18 year old males.

I don't know what your guys experiences are. But where I grew up 16-18 year old males are men and treated as such.
 
Biology, male test levels and reflexes decline sharply in your mid 30s. It’s less evident at LHW/HW cause they’re slow to begin with. It’s a death sentence at 170 and below.

for people citing examples of 40+ year olds doing well in the NFL, olympics, NBA, etc, that’s because they’re on GIGA PEDS, a whole pharmacy worth, which turns the clock back a good 5-10 years physically. And the average age is no where near that age. And the people cited were exceptionally skilled and dedicated in all aspects of diet, preparation, training, recovery etc which allowed them to compete longer than the norm.
 
There's no magical age and may also depend on mileage and injuries/damage taken throughout their career. It's nuanced, however it doesn't help.

Definitely body-wear is a huge part of it, but so is fighting style; Volk relies on being fast, lots of movement in/out, his style probably won't really age well. In contrast a slower fighter can do better especially at the higher weights. Guys like Glover and Randy Couture come to mind in that context, neither was a speed-based fighter but used a lot of technique.
 
Do we as men really decline that much at the age of 35?
I turned Pro in MMA at the age of 35 in 2013. Retired at 40 in 2018 when I ahd my first child. I just came out of retirement last August, at 44yrs.. 3 months before my 45th bday. I have 3 fights left on my current contract. Plan to fight into 2025.. at 135 and 145lbs, standing 5ft 8in. Age is what people who are lazy, use as an excuse. Played football from 6yrs old through college, raced dirtbikes and bmx, started in martial arts at 4yrs old, wrestled in hs and college. Many broken bones, etc etc.. meaning, a lot of wear and tear on the body. Still didnt hinder me or be a reason to not go fwd.
 
I turned Pro in MMA at the age of 35 in 2013. Retired at 40 in 2018 when I ahd my first child. I just came out of retirement last August, at 44yrs.. 3 months before my 45th bday. I have 3 fights left on my current contract. Plan to fight into 2025.. at 135 and 145lbs, standing 5ft 8in. Age is what people who are lazy, use as an excuse. Played football from 6yrs old through college, raced dirtbikes and bmx, started in martial arts at 4yrs old, wrestled in hs and college. Many broken bones, etc etc.. meaning, a lot of wear and tear on the body. Still didnt hinder me or be a reason to not go fwd.

hats off to you

still doesn't change the fact that your natural physical prime is a couple of decades behind you
 
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