Interview with Jon Jones' Physique Trainer

[Peli]

I work with strenght trainers in my profession and respect them if they educate themselves with evidence based training approach.
Efferding is managing training load which is not that difficult to do but ok he is right that a lot of mma coaches dont even do that.
BUT and thats a big but. If you coach professional athletes its a huge red flag if your coach uses roids to this amount. Thats an absolute NOGO. I wont condemn him for using in the past. Pro Bodybuilding you have to, end of story but continuing to do so AND coaching young athletes from different sports is fucked up.

That he "developed" his own diet ok Its a marketing tactic I get it but I really hate all this false marketing with his own sucess story when they leave out the roids they ate like cherries. Its dishonest and I would not work with such a coach. The diet itself is ok but basically its what most professionals would advise. The thing is if you are a pro you will always need a specific eating habit that fits your situation and no programm itself does that.

To me this coach puts up several red flags.

A lot of times where I see nutritionists In MMA. Is usually bro science. Kinda surprising they don't go just hire a real nutritionists

 

[avenue94]

- Stan Efferding is new to Jones' team. He feels Jones' MMA coaches put him through a lot of training...this overtraining combined with low-calorie dieting during fight camp iimpacted his prior fight performance

Kind of odd observation since Jones has alawys struck me as a pretty lazy trainer by mma standards in that he clearly balloons up between fights and camps and hasn't always shown up on fight night the most prepared (Gus 1)

Nice post and cliffs.

 

[Xoleth]

A lot of times where I see nutritionists In MMA. Is usually bro science. Kinda surprising they don't go just hire a real nutritionists

Like who?!
I mean, what real nutritionist?

 

[listrahtes]

Like who?!
I mean, what real nutritionist?

Depends on the country. In my country you either study sports science and then ad sports nutrition as a focus or you take a 3 year education as a diet assistant (basically a nutritionist) with an official government controlled curriculum.
You will learn about necessary biology, chemistry, physiology, nutrition, preparing food and then also can specialize further. A diet assistant is an interesting combination as they also learn to prepare everything.

A diet assistent will start with a salary of a little over 40 000$ / year so its not that bad.

The term nutrition expert etc is not protected. Everyone with a weekend seminar can use that term. Thats why you have so many of them. They grow like fungus Especially with bodybuilding

 

[ikite103]

Depends on the country. In my country you either study sports science and then ad sports nutrition as a focus or you take a 3 year education as a diet assistant (basically a nutritionist) with an official government controlled curriculum.
You will learn about necessary biology, chemistry, physiology, nutrition, preparing food and then also can specialize further. A diet assistant is an interesting combination as they also learn to prepare everything.

A diet assistent will start with a salary of a little over 40 000$ / year so its not that bad.

The term nutrition expert etc is not protected. Everyone with a weekend seminar can use that term. Thats why you have so many of them. They grow like fungus Especially with bodybuilding

I would take advice from a 300lb bodybuilder on how to eat to gain weight over some book read nutritionist all day everyday and twice on Sunday

 

[Tyrannosaurus rex]

I work with strenght trainers in my profession and respect them if they educate themselves with evidence based training approach.
Efferding is managing training load which is not that difficult to do but ok he is right that a lot of mma coaches dont even do that.
BUT and thats a big but. If you coach professional athletes its a huge red flag if your coach uses roids to this amount. Thats an absolute NOGO. I wont condemn him for using in the past. Pro Bodybuilding you have to, end of story but continuing to do so AND coaching young athletes from different sports is fucked up.

That he "developed" his own diet ok Its a marketing tactic I get it but I really hate all this false marketing with his own sucess story when they leave out the roids they ate like cherries. Its dishonest and I would not work with such a coach. The diet itself is ok but basically its what most professionals would advise. The thing is if you are a pro you will always need a specific eating habit that fits your situation and no programm itself does that.

To me this coach puts up several red flags.

The steroids don't really bother me to be honest.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but I think almost everyone in professional sports are on something. It's just so easy to pass tests. Even random tests. Guys are Armstrong were on Peds for their entire career and they only got caught when someone else ratted him out.

 

[DivineMind]

This guy looks like one of the trainers at LA fitness who lured me in with the promise of a free hour of personal training, but instead "trained" me for 5 minutes and spent 55 minutes trying to aggressively bully me into buying a year of sessions.

Thankfully my Shototen Shaolin "Chi" training made me impossible to manipulate emotionally, but I feel for the other guys he berated into buying sessions from him.

 

[Iron Nick]

Stan Efferding is the shit. The vertical diet is great too.

Jack Slack said something very similar on his podcast IIRC, so i guess Jones will be in great shape (regardless of if he becomes heavyweight champ or not).

 

[listrahtes]

I would take advice from a 300lb bodybuilder on how to eat to gain weight over some book read nutritionist all day everyday and twice on Sunday

They arent just book read. Why do you think that? It has a huge practical block. They combine scientific reasoning, basic knowledge and practical skills. Besides that gaining and loosing weight has a very different context in Bodybuilding compared to martial arts with very different approaches.
But you kind of prove my point how backwater martial arts clients often think. Its like prefering to ask a race driver how to build a car instead of a mechanic.

 

[fg1985bg]

Creatine & fish oil

You are forgetting clean eating as well. You have to take fish oil, creatine and nutrition to get that physique. Heh perfect guy to get Jon in shape.

Lol I love how he says overtraining is to blame for Jones performances. That’s the specific reason. Lol riiiiiiight.......It has nothing to with lack of picograms or anything of the sort...

 

[Tabarnakos]

Creatine & fish oil

Heh

Never understood the point of being built like that. It doesn't look good and most girls i talked to don't find that attractive at all , it's impractical and you have absolute shit cardio and stamina. You are strong sure but that's about it

That's my personal opinion. No offense intended to anyone who is into bodybuilding

 

[ejlarson249]

Creatine & fish oil

Good functional muscle there for MMA.

 

[ikite103]

They arent just book read. Why do you think that? It has a huge practical block. They combine scientific reasoning, basic knowledge and practical skills. Besides that gaining and loosing weight has a very different context in Bodybuilding compared to martial arts with very different approaches.
But you kind of prove my point how backwater martial arts clients often think. Its like prefering to ask a race driver how to build a car instead of a mechanic.

You are an idiot Jones wants to become a 300lb mass monster no government trained 160lb nutritionist knows more about that than Stan Efferding he is a powerlifter before a bodybuilder and has worked with professional athletes for decades. He broke the 40 year old world powerlifting world record in 2013. His world record still stands. He was a much more successful powerlifter than bodybuilder. He is not some big dumb bodybuilder he is very intelligent and knows his shit and a proven champion. If you want to get big and strong he is the foremost expert in the World. Meanwhile a 160lb nutritionist doesn't know a godamn thing about any of that stuff.

 

[ikite103]

You are forgetting clean eating as well. You have to take fish oil, creatine and nutrition to get that physique. Heh perfect guy to get Jon in shape.

Lol I love how he says overtraining is to blame for Jones performances. That’s the specific reason. Lol riiiiiiight.......It has nothing to with lack of picograms or anything of the sort...

Overtraining is why he wasn't a heavyweight a decade ago yes absolutely cutting out the 4 hours of cardio 6 days a week is how he is getting big. Stan is an expert at this stuff and anyone who trains to gain muscle will tell you more is less you have to recover.

 

[smooth assassin]

I met Stan efferding a few times in his seminar
He’s very knowledgeable and a real nice guy
He knows his stuff

 

[Hauptstoss]

Jones is 254!? Dang.

 

[Deleted member 498977]

Creatine & fish oil

I am ordering creatine ASAP, already have fish oil

 

[fg1985bg]

Overtraining is why he wasn't a heavyweight a decade ago yes absolutely cutting out the 4 hours of cardio 6 days a week is how he is getting big. Stan is an expert at this stuff and anyone who trains to gain muscle will tell you more is less you have to recover.

Everyone is different and everyone’s body reacts differently. Some people react well to training frequently, some don’t. There isn’t a one size fits all approach to muscle gain. It’s a case by case situation with a variety of factors. I’ve done 6 days on, one day off and while it was fun, my body responded much better to a 2 on 1 off split. So less frequent worked for me. I have friends who train super frequently and it works for them....everyone is different .

I never said that overtraining couldn’t play a role. However I find it rather convenient that Stan (who I’m quiet familiar with) training Jon. I mean, considering Jon’s past its probably not the best look to have a guy who’s obviously juiced training you. Just like I find it pretty convenient to say that the reason for Jon struggling is overtraining......Not saying it isn’t, but I’m sure having less picograms in your nutrition plan didn’t help either.

 

[Deleted member 576123]

Me and op can’t be the only ones thinking 4,000 calories seem low? Maybe this is an average. Some days he when he is putting in lots of work he consumes more and on rest days he consumes less.

When I was training twice a day, 4 days a week for a few months, I was around 5000cal a day. I was losing weight. BUT, though I was eating healthy, it was just basic nutrition. Wasn't maximising nutrient density.
Stan has a wealth of knowledge but even I can't see around that 4k being enough.
That said, JJ frame is not as thick as other tall HWs so I guess that is maybe enough to increase without lovehandles.

 

[CasualBot]

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