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[Madmick]

WAT

can you cite one of these arguments? what did i say was invalid? ffs, "budget build" has been your argument, not mine.

lolz @ even talking shit, anymore after how badly you've been BTFO here.

How is someone buying an R5-1600 only to upgrade it to a Zen 3 refresh that will hopefully be more powerful than a 12600K putting together a "budget build"? That's what we're discussing. Per budget builds, what is AMD bringing? What is the AMD option to compete with the 10100F or 10400F I just mentioned?

I was the one who just mocked the notion a $300 CPU was a budget CPU above. This second comparison is between a 12600K and 5800X. You have yet to substantiate why anyone would opt for a 5800X when a 12600K is available. You yourself went to great lengths to dismiss the validity of a 10600K or 10600KF at a cheaper cost than the 5600X in the past. You always tried retreating to a MC cost, but even when the 5600X dropped to $270 on MC, it was pointed out to you the 10600K and 10600KF were $220-$230 at the same time. The 10600K even dropped to $190 from MC multiple times over the past 9 months. But you mocked the Intel options because they offered a lower average framerate in games.

So I ask you, if you gave the 5600X at a slightly higher price your full-throated endorsement, then, why wouldn't you now for the 12600K when it's the same price, even if you had to spend a bit more on the PSU, CPU cooler, or motherboard? Especially when the motherboard is so much more advanced?

 

[rob mafia]

How is someone buying an R5-1600 only to upgrade it to a Zen 3 refresh that will hopefully be more powerful than a 12600K putting together a "budget build"? That's what we're discussing.

EXACTLY. why the fuck are you even discussing that, to begin with? because you keep blathering about some "budget" bullshit.

on top of making no sense, it carries a higher TCO, anyway. last i knew, "budget builds" were supposed to have a lower TCO. you know, cheaper.

clown shoes.

 

[Madmick]

EXACTLY. why the fuck are you even discussing that, to begin with? because you keep blathering about some "budget" bullshit.

on top of making no sense, it carries a higher TCO, anyway. last i knew, "budget builds" were supposed to have a lower TCO. you know, cheaper.

clown shoes.

Why are you avoiding answering either of the two simple questions that was put to you?

 

[rob mafia]

Why are you avoiding answering either of the two simple questions that was put to you?

i didn't even read the post past the second sentence... because you just said it's (budget) what you're discussing.

you're confirming that even you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


edit: for added lulz, the last time you talked dumb build/gaming shit, you said we should sell our GPUs and run amd 5700Gs... the oldass vega on the 5700Gs are still better than the igpu on the new intel's, anyway. so... your twister logic is still playing spiderman.

 

[Madmick]

i didn't even read the post past the second sentence... because you just said it's (budget) what you're discussing.

you're confirming that even you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The reason "budget builders" entered the conversation is because you mocked 12600K due to the fact is will need a stronger CPU cooler and PSU:

lolz @ bringing up value, though - yeah, they're a great value and only eat like double the wattage. oh. well, whatever. i'm sure all the budget builds that want to pay premiums for new mobos/ram (and a cooler or 20?) will be excited to have a not really budget build.

Of course, you neither study charts, nor understand them, which is why you're saying things like this in the first place. While the 12600K eat enormous amounts of power under synthetic loads from benchmarks like Prime95 or Furmark, in fact, it's nearly identical to the 5800X in power draw under more practical real-world loads like gaming. Cinebench, for example, which typically exceeds the most intense games in power draw, but is much closer to them, for example, draws 189W from the 12600K (193W with power limits removed). It draws 179W from the 5800X.

In fact, Tweaktown demonstrated that the 12600K draws considerably less power in gaming-- Shadow of the Tomb Raider:
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9977/intel-core-i5-12600k-alder-lake-cpu/index.html

So that's embarrassing...for you. So how do you justify this?

$299 for a 5800x, mc is bringing it, as usual.

On what grounds is the 5800X a worthy alternative to the 12600K?

And let's circle back to the "budget builds". I just asked you: what is the "budget build" CPU that AMD is offering right now to counter the 10400/10100F I mentioned?

 

[rob mafia]

The reason "budget builders" entered the conversation is because you mocked 12600K due to the fact is will need a stronger CPU cooler and PSU:

lolz @ quoting me REPLYING to your "value" bullshit as the reason why you're blathering like a fool about "budget" builds.

holy spiderman pointing. your own evidence only further incriminates you. derp.

lolz @ banning me from the build/gaming/etc threads due to your being BTFO and butthurt and resorting to censorship... and then trying to argue some insano budget shit in the intel's fucked thread... during this time, of all (intel being super fucked)... AFTER saying we should all sell our GPUs to run 5700Gs, no less.

take your meds. this is too much insanity and schizo bullshit for anyone to keep up with - as evident by you not even being able to follow your own previous post. ...repeatedly.



'intel's fucked? lolz! hell, no! don't be ridiculous! sure, they're the only semi company to have shrank in the last few years and sure they blew all their money on buybacks and are now in debt and begging for govt handouts... but if one pays premiums for higher TCO, they can have a "budget build" that... costs more! but they should just sell their GPUs and run 5700Gs.'

a+, fantastic argument!

 

[Madmick]

lolz @ quoting me REPLYING to your "value" bullshit as the reason why you're blathering like a fool about "budget" builds.

holy spiderman pointing. your own evidence only further incriminates you. derp.

lolz @ banning me from the build/gaming/etc threads due to your being BTFO and butthurt and resorting to censorship... and then trying to argue some insano budget shit in the intel's fucked thread... during this time, of all (intel being super fucked).

Again, why are you so determined to avoid answering either of two simple questions?

"Value" is why I came into the thread to highlight the virtue of @PEB's build at that extraordinary price for the 10700K, and the fact Intel's supply appears to be so much more robust than AMD's, explaining why they are beating AMD at every single price point, currently. I just quoted you boasting AMD is still "bringing it" with a $300 price at MC for the 5800X.

That processor is $386 online, and only $300 at MC, but $300 is the price of the 12600K both online and at MC. So how is the 5800X "bringing it" against a superior processor?

 

[rob mafia]

Again, why are you so determined to avoid answering either of two simple questions?

"Value" is why I came into the thread to highlight the virtue of @PEB's build at that extraordinary price for the 10700K, and the fact Intel's supply appears to be so much more robust than AMD's, explaining why they are beating AMD at every single price point, currently. I just quoted you boasting AMD is still "bringing it" with a $300 price at MC for the 5800X.

That processor is $386 online, and only $300 at MC, but $300 is the price of the 12600K both online and at MC. So how is the 5800X "bringing it" against a superior processor?

1. i already congratulated intel on finally beating a year old cpu... while resorting to having to nuke theirs.
2. i already answered this like 10 times. TCO

do you not even know what that means?

3. it's TOTALLY FUCKING IRRELEVANT. i'm not the one making "budget build!" arguments. YOU are. they're YOUR dumb arguments.

holy shit.

imagine pretending i'm running from something after you've been running from your 5700G bullshit - even after you deleted it. clown shoes.

 

[Madmick]

1. i already congratulated intel on finally beating a year old cpu... while resorting to having to nuke theirs.

So the 5800X isn't "bringing it".

Concession accepted. See, that wasn't hard.

 

[rob mafia]

So the 5800X isn't "bringing it".

Concession accepted. See, that wasn't hard.

are you just... omitting time now? what year is it?


and you act like i hadn't already said it...

but what did/do i know, amirite? intel has a cpu that can finally beat amd's year old model... while using fucktons of power. screw TCO, amirite? no one cares about that. i'm sure datacenter's fine with needing nuclear reactors to power a server.

it's extra funny since you evaded that post, anyway.

 

[rob mafia]

https://ir.amd.com/news-events/pres...d-selects-3rd-gen-amd-epyc-processors-for-new

remember that shining ibm/intel partnership that was to threaten amd/tsmc and terrify samsung? i know PEB remembers...

 

[jefferz]

That's a more interesting strategy, but first, it wades off into true bargain hunting because you're obviously not looking at shrinkwrapped units from traditional retailers.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#F=78,79&sort=price&s=60
As you can see, the R5-1600 and R5-2600 both cost more today than their launch MSRPs. Shopping for Used, Open-Box, Trades, or "New" units from non-certified retailers (often shady Chinese shippers) that potentially don't even carry a warranty is an orange to this apple.

Besides, since AM4 is dead, all you're doing is buying a weaker CPU now with the intent to upgrade to a Zen 3 refresh later, and you don't even know yet what that CPU's performance will be. Not only is this a gamble, and the total cost unknown, but one may effectively count both CPU costs together. So now it's a 12700K or 12900K you're going up against. And, unlike this dual-CPU strategy, the latter Intel CPUs have upgrade potential everywhere else. IMO, it just makes more sense to look at the i3-10100F or i5-10400/10400F as budget options.

Second, more importantly, it concedes the central argument here that the R7-5800X is inferior to the 12600K as a purchase: even at Microcenter (because remember, the 5800X is $387 elsewhere atm).

Holy crap, you’re so worked up that you didn’t even read what I typed.

 

[rob mafia]

Holy crap, you’re so worked up that you didn’t even read what I typed.

not only that, but the conclusion he reached is just insane.

buying a 1600 to then buy another cpu?

 

[rob mafia]

re: monday

https://www.servethehome.com/facebook-meta-amd-epyc-north-dome-cpu-and-platform-details/

At OCP Summit, Meta disclosed the North Dome platform that puts an AMD EPYC 7003 processor into a sled originally designed for Intel Xeon D CPUs.

 

[Madmick]

Holy crap, you’re so worked up that you didn’t even read what I typed.

I read what you wrote, but it's only relevant to upgraders, not new buyers, and even not all of the former. B350 and X370 motherboards aren't supported by Zen 3, officially. The motherboards which can be flashed for Zen 3 support, and this isn't all of them, don't necessarily support NVMe, or don't support the latest BIOS updates if they do. So I assessed the strategy, which is still interesting, to prospective new buyers, but as you read, it doesn't quite work. And, while cheaper for those who can opt for this, it isn't really cheaper in the long run, because they'll still be walled off from next gen components until they buy a next gen motherboard.

 

[jefferz]

I read what you wrote, but it's only relevant to upgraders, not new buyers, and even not all of the former. B350 and X370 motherboards aren't supported by Zen 3, officially. The motherboards which can be flashed for Zen 3 support, and this isn't all of them, don't necessarily support NVMe, or don't support the latest BIOS updates if they do. So I assessed the strategy, which is still interesting, to prospective new buyers, but as you read, it doesn't quite work. And, while cheaper for those who can opt for this, it isn't really cheaper in the long run, because they'll still be walled off from next gen components until they buy a next gen motherboard.

So you read what i wrote, ignored it, created your own argument, then put up a big wall of text.
Got it.

 

[Madmick]

So you read what i wrote, ignored it, created your own argument, then put up a big wall of text.
Got it.

On the contrary, I made an effort to find relevance in an irrelevant tangent you introduced. You responded to a post where the 5800X was being compared to the 12600K as a prospective purchase for new buyers. Upgrades to prior owners aren't relevant to this, and the 5800X isn't one of these upcoming Zen 3 refreshes. So you're projecting your own transgression onto me.

 

[My Spot]

MC will flash mobos for you but I know that doesn't apply to most people.

 

[rob mafia]

On the contrary, I made an effort to find relevance in an irrelevant tangent you introduced. You responded to a post where the 5800X was being compared to the 12600K as a prospective purchase for new buyers. Upgrades to prior owners aren't relevant to this, and the 5800X isn't one of these upcoming Zen 3 refreshes. So you're projecting your own transgression onto me.

MC will flash mobos for you but I know that doesn't apply to most people.

 

[Madmick]

MC will flash mobos for you but I know that doesn't apply to most people.

Anyone with a B350 or X370 motherboard won't be able to upgrade to the Zen 3 refresh. And anyone with a B450 or X470 won't be guaranteed to be supported, and will likely face restrictions even if they are eligible to manually retrieve an unofficial BIOS that isn't pushed via Windows.

Of course, none of that has anything to do with the fact Intel offers the best CPU at every available price point, currently.