Tech "intel's f-----"

[rob mafia]

Again your posts are full of hate when will you own up to the fact that you own AMD and TSMC shares?

lolz @ full of hate!

and i don't have any tsmc shares (or contracts). i haven't had any tsmc since 2020.


i DO have amd shares (and calls [long and short] ) right now. i did not when you previously accused me of this.

more laughably, i've been rather transparent about that in another thread...

I don't own a single share of Intel, AMD or TSMC.

...ooookkkkkk, irrelevant, but thanks? i mean... i never once thought you did or accused you of it like a lunatic. that's... kind of your thing.

All I am pointing out the US chip making has suffered because of reliance on overseas manufacturing

bullshit.

us chip making suffered because they, themselves fell behind/got lazy/complacent. it's not tsmc's fault that they're EASILY the best fab in the world.

there's still a lot of fabbing in the usa - there's just none that's on par with tsmc. and a lot of that is by their own design (glofo, txn, etc). intel... is just a failure. who knew that pumping $20B/year into buybacks wouldn't fix their fabs? who knew that not buying the euv machines from asml would lead to falling WAY behind tsmc in process? and it's not like asml told the public where all of their euv tools were going or anything!

oh, wait. this shit was fucking obvious to anyone with a brain who paid the slightest bit of attention.

and it's also why we shouldn't reward them with taxpayer money. failures shouldn't be rewarded, especially when they were lining their pockets the whole time.

it's funny that you want to omit the fact that tsmc is building fabs here, though. your hatred of taiwan...

It would be nice if I could buy an NVidia GPU like a 3070Ti for 699 or less not 1,200 dollars because the scalpers have sucked up all the supplies. With Intel gaining production capacity that is insanely expensive and IBM looking into entering the 3rd party production business the US needs to invest in the ever more expensive production. So go ahead share a meme or post hate full stuff I still believe we need all the capacity we can get I been posting this fact for well before the chip shortages.

lolz! you're one of the retards that believes there's a chip shortage?

yeah, amd and nvidia produced/sold way fewer gpus in the last few years /s
it's why their revenue and profits were down /s

the reason why you can't find GPUs for msrp is because of crypto, genius.

 

[Madmick]

I understand the hate. Intel hasn't exactly been innovative in years and they are overpriced.

No, they're not. You're not current.

In the past dozen years, even when Intel was comfortably reigning, I don't recall one time when they offered the superior gaming CPU value at every price point ($50-$100, $100-$150, $150-$200, $200-$300, $300-$400, $400+). AMD always had at least one CPU that was selling at a price-- normally well below its MSRP-- that was an easily obtainable superior buy at one of those price points. And that was usually outright, we're not even talking about considerations of associated costs (motherboard, CPU cooler, RAM if MHz differences carried performance implications, PSU, etc.)

Yet, for about six months now, that's been the reality. Intel is dominating every single price point. They also carry performance supremacy, again, with Alder Lake.

 

[rob mafia]

Intel is dominating every single price point.

and they're still getting rekt.

maybe it has something to do with dominating every single price point... but with retarded amounts of wattage?

 

[Madmick]

and they're still getting rekt.

maybe it has something to do with dominating every single price point... but with retarded amounts of wattage?

If by "rekt" you mean controlling over 60% of the global desktop CPU market share. Their share grew from Q3 to Q4 of 2021 (meaning they strengthened their already dominant position).

 

[Woldog]

No, they're not. You're not current.

In the past dozen years, even when Intel was comfortably reigning, I don't recall one time when they offered the superior gaming CPU value at every price point ($50-$100, $100-$150, $150-$200, $200-$300, $300-$400, $400+). AMD always had at least one CPU that was selling at a price-- normally well below its MSRP-- that was an easily obtainable superior buy at one of those price points. And that was usually outright, we're not even talking about considerations of associated costs (motherboard, CPU cooler, RAM if MHz differences carried performance implications, PSU, etc.)

Yet, for about six months now, that's been the reality. Intel is dominating every single price point. They also carry performance supremacy, again, with Alder Lake.

ugh don't say that I don't wanna rebuild my AMD computer to Intel

 

[Madmick]

ugh don't say that I don't wanna rebuild my AMD computer to Intel

There definitely isn't enough of an advantage to justify that expense over your 5800X. Makes much more sense to see what Zen 4 will bring, and then Intel's sub-10nm offering to follow.

 

[rob mafia]

If by "rekt" you mean controlling over 60% of the global desktop CPU market share. Their share grew from Q3 to Q4 of 2021 (meaning they strengthened their already dominant position).

sure, while dropping in other segments... most notably, server/data center. yeah, it's what i'd call rekt.

weird that amd would lose ground in an area where they didn't have new products, amirite?

lolz @ still arguing after your position went from 'they have piles of money' to 'they're begging the govt for piles of money'

 

[Madmick]

sure, while dropping in other segments... most notably, server/data center.

We were not discussing server CPUs. We were discussing gaming CPUs, explicitly.

Concession accepted. Now you've been wrecked, too.

 

[rob mafia]

We were not discussing server CPUs. We were discussing gaming CPUs, explicitly.

Concession accepted. Now you've been wrecked, too.

lolz, no.

i was talking cpu but you were blown out so you moved goalposts (your MO)... repeatedly. allll the way to earnings reports (and your hilarious misreading of them [eg, confusing revenue for profit, not understanding eps, etc] ). and it's since been about broader business.

ffs, margins are mentioned in the 2nd post. and you keep harping about buybacks (without understanding why they were even mentioned)... i guess buybacks involve CPUs now? were they buying back gaming CPUs?

lolz @ being so wrong so often for so long

 

[Madmick]

 

[rob mafia]

what am i butthurt about? being right? making money off intel puts?

lolz @ even posting that after banning me from the other threads. (and on a related note, lolz @ the newegg irony)

but since we're reminiscing, remember when you moved goalposts all the way to sales tax? good times. and arguing that people should sell their dGPUs to buy/run 5700Gs?

 

[My Spot]

Uh oh, looks like Intel is still in business as of 2/4/22.

 

[rob mafia]

Uh oh, looks like Intel is still in business as of 2/4/22.

no shit. who ever suggested otherwise, genius?

 

[My Spot]

no shit. who ever suggested otherwise, genius?

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

There definitely isn't enough of an advantage to justify that expense over your 5800X. Makes much more sense to see what Zen 4 will bring, and then Intel's sub-10nm offering to follow.

sure, while dropping in other segments... most notably, server/data center. yeah, it's what i'd call rekt.

weird that amd would lose ground in an area where they didn't have new products, amirite?

lolz @ still arguing after your position went from 'they have piles of money' to 'they're begging the govt for piles of money'

We were not discussing server CPUs. We were discussing gaming CPUs, explicitly.

Concession accepted. Now you've been wrecked, too.

lolz, no.

i was talking cpu but you were blown out so you moved goalposts (your MO)... repeatedly. allll the way to earnings reports (and your hilarious misreading of them [eg, confusing revenue for profit, not understanding eps, etc] ). and it's since been about broader business.

ffs, margins are mentioned in the 2nd post. and you keep harping about buybacks (without understanding why they were even mentioned)... i guess buybacks involve CPUs now? were they buying back gaming CPUs?

lolz @ being so wrong so often for so long

what am i butthurt about? being right? making money off intel puts?

lolz @ even posting that after banning me from the other threads. (and on a related note, lolz @ the newegg irony)

but since we're reminiscing, remember when you moved goalposts all the way to sales tax? good times. and arguing that people should sell their dGPUs to buy/run 5700Gs?

 

[elreece]

having no stake in the argument, but I am considering building a new comp soon............How is intel fucked?

Is there something I should know if I do go down the intel route?

 

[KaNesDeath]

How is intel fucked?

Is there something I should know if I do go down the intel route?

Intel currently has the best gaming performance CPU's and are priced better than AMD.

This thread was created at a time when AMD was starting to chip away at Intels dominant market share. Where @rob mafia wishes to die on this mole hill of time.

 

[rob mafia]

wat

chart of intc, sox and amd for last 2 years

know how hard it is to lose money/market cap/market share as a "chip maker" during the covid era? literally every other semiconductor company thrived when intel lost.

 

[KaNesDeath]

know how hard it is to lose money/market cap/market share as a "chip maker" during the covid era? literally every other semiconductor company thrived when intel lost.

For their new line of products were in the R&D stage when the pandemic hit. While the pricing of existing AMD products was more appealing to the massive influx of new customers caused by quarantine.

 

[rob mafia]

For their new line of products were in the R&D stage when the pandemic hit. While the pricing of existing AMD products was more appealing to the massive influx of new customers caused by quarantine.

you got it backwards - amd was unable to meet the increased demand due to the pandemic. intel benefitted from the pandemic. the pandemic kept things from being even worse for intel.

without the pandemic, amd still likely sold every cpu. intel would have sold less.

when i say intel was the ONLY semiconductor company to lose in this time - i mean literally the only one. as i already covered...

intel lost 15% when the average (including intel's dead weight) gained 108%

and shit, it's even worse now. when i posted that (link above), amd was $135B and intel was 217.

while amd (and nvda and others) gained further, intel is now $195B. they've lost 24% from the thread start to now.