Tech "intel's f-----"

elreece said:
having no stake in the argument, but I am considering building a new comp soon............How is intel fucked?

Is there something I should know if I do go down the intel route?
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They aren't. Intel has AMD beat at every level for gaming right now.
 
My Spot said:
They aren't.
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yeah, they're begging for taxpayer money from a position of strength...

elreece said:
having no stake in the argument, but I am considering building a new comp soon............How is intel fucked?

Is there something I should know if I do go down the intel route?
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intel's current cpus are better in raw performance, but are marred by inefficiency (basically turned the wattage to 11) and tco. it's part of the thread's irony. (gaming cpu -> broad, 3 years)

zen 4 (ryzen 7000) should be out later this year. both (intel 12th gen and amd's 7000s) would require new motherboards, so it might be best to wait until specs/benchmarks are released for ryzen 7000s before deciding. fwiw, the 7000s will have rdna 2 and might be actually viable for budget builds without dGPUs.
 
Having grown up in the Canadian oil patch, in my experience companies trying to take advantage of government subsidies is often less a case of a hurting company/industry so much as a company trying to take advantage of free money.
 
Law Talkin’ Guy said:
Having grown up in the Canadian oil patch, in my experience companies trying to take advantage of government subsidies is often less a case of a hurting company/industry so much as a company trying to take advantage of free money.
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that would hold more weight if intel didn't lost 24% of their value from thread start to now... while their peers more than doubled, on average.

and if they didn't just clean out their management, become a customer of their rival, pick up $40B of debt...

and while the biden admin is billing themselves as anti-corp/anti-rich...

but yeah, the chips/competes act will help bail out intel. yay for throwing away money. to add insult to irony, the amount that intel spent in buybacks for just 10 years of the last 20ish would equate to their current value. and many times what's costing taxpayers now.
 
PEB said:
Reading over your past post you never confirmed that you do not own AMD shares though you did state you have no TSMC shares currently. Could you clarify that you do not own AMD shares. I will say point blank I own zero Intel or AMD shares.
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holy shit, you are the reading master! it was the same post.

lolz @ remembering the tsm part, though. funny how you always prioritize (hatred of) taiwan...
 
My Spot said:
Uh oh, Tom's Hardware also lists an Intel CPU as their top for gaming.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html
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{<huh}

it's like your method of trolling is slinging 84364875 pieces of shit indiscriminately and hoping one sticks.

rob mafia said:
intel's current cpus are better in raw performance, but are marred by inefficiency (basically turned the wattage to 11) and tco. it's part of the thread's irony. (gaming cpu -> broad, 3 years)
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My Spot said:
Uh oh, Tom's Hardware also lists an Intel CPU as their top for gaming.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html
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It’s not as simple as Toms makes it out though and I feel like they do a bad job getting into the specifics.

Let’s say you’re building a new gaming PC with really nothing but gaming in mind. You probably are going to be playing at 1440 or at 4k. At 1440 the lead between the top intel cpu and the mid range amd 5600x is greatly reduced. If your playing at 4k, the lead is non existent. Really, check the charts.

As a trade off, the intel cpus are all sucking more power and producing a lot more heat. I built a 4K gaming pc for my tv back in November when the new intel chips came out and chose the 5600x for exactly this reason. The only people I really see being excited at the ones trying to push as many frames as possible at 1080. In that scenario, there is at least some pay off for the power and heat waste.
 
Blayt7hh said:
It’s not as simple as Toms makes it out though and I feel like they do a bad job getting into the specifics.

Let’s say you’re building a new gaming PC with really nothing but gaming in mind. You probably are going to be playing at 1440 or at 4k. At 1440 the lead between the top intel cpu and the mid range amd 5600x is greatly reduced. If your playing at 4k, the lead is non existent. Really, check the charts.

As a trade off, the intel cpus are all sucking more power and producing a lot more heat. I built a 4K gaming pc for my tv back in November when the new intel chips came out and chose the 5600x for exactly this reason. The only people I really see being excited at the ones trying to push as many frames as possible at 1080. In that scenario, there is at least some pay off for the power and heat waste.
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You have to admit the upside is Intel coming to compete on price VS just assuming that people will pay a premium for whatever Intel offered. Intel is learning how to accept their efforts to make a compelling midrange product and I hear their GPU's are going to compete and beat Nvidia and AMD on price. I cannot say enough about Pat Gelsinger having had him as an upper level boss knowing that he is great with his employees. He will move mountains to get Intel to restore their leadership and will expand their product offerings.

This is good for everyone because it will push AMD to up their game.
 
Blayt7hh said:
It’s not as simple as Toms makes it out though and I feel like they do a bad job getting into the specifics.

Let’s say you’re building a new gaming PC with really nothing but gaming in mind. You probably are going to be playing at 1440 or at 4k. At 1440 the lead between the top intel cpu and the mid range amd 5600x is greatly reduced. If your playing at 4k, the lead is non existent. Really, check the charts.

As a trade off, the intel cpus are all sucking more power and producing a lot more heat. I built a 4K gaming pc for my tv back in November when the new intel chips came out and chose the 5600x for exactly this reason. The only people I really see being excited at the ones trying to push as many frames as possible at 1080. In that scenario, there is at least some pay off for the power and heat waste.
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12400F: $160
5600X: $240

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My Spot said:
12400F: $160
5600X: $240

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you went from arguing it's better for gaming like 2 posts ago to now arguing it's worse for gaming, but cheaper?

you really are just chucking shit and praying something sticks, aren't you.

dumber, the only ones getting their jimmies rustled in this thread have colorful names.
 
If you're building for 4K gaming you can get away with most CPUs from the last few years and do just fine. Hell, there's barely any gain for almost anything above an R5 3600 since it's all GPU bottlenecked even on a 3090.

With that that said it's pretty darn hard to look past the power and value Intel is presently offering - it's a no brainer until AMD release a new generation and we can look at it again.
 
rob mafia said:
you went from arguing it's better for gaming like 2 posts ago to now arguing it's worse for gaming, but cheaper?

you really are just chucking shit and praying something sticks, aren't you.

dumber, the only ones getting their jimmies rustled in this thread have colorful names.
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{<jordan}
 
Neph said:
If you're building for 4K gaming you can get away with most CPUs from the last few years and do just fine. Hell, there's barely any gain for almost anything above an R5 3600 since it's all GPU bottlenecked even on a 3090.

With that that said it's pretty darn hard to look past the power and value Intel is presently offering - it's a no brainer until AMD release a new generation and we can look at it again.
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But Intel is FUCKED. Haven't you heard? :p
 
My Spot said:
{<jordan}
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cash? gone
debt? lots... and increasing fast
management? cleaned house
tsmc? intel's a customer, instead of a rival
keller? left
mobileye - being sold
margins? down... and shrinking

only semiconducter company to lose from the thread start to now... while their competitors gained bigly. ffs, amd is on the verge of being bigger than intel.

but what did i know, amirite?

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