Insufferable

[jeff7b9]

Asking what a person means isn’t having an emotional reaction. Why do you think that?

Ok.

Do you have any more questions or are we good here?

 

[Superzorro]

Ok.

Do you have any more questions or are we good here?

No, you’re free to go kiddo.

 

[jeff7b9]

No, you’re free to go kiddo.

 

[Paladin]

DuPlessis doesn’t get to define what African means and change the rules to suit him and invalidate the people who came before him. Especially if he’s only “African” due to nationality, and the country that makes him so is a British colony and the least culturally African on the entire continent.
The UFC disagrees with this new definition he created because they’ve already crowned several African UFC champions.
And judging from the homecoming that Ngannou received when he returned to Cameroon, most actual Africans on the continent (both ethnically and nationally unlike DuPlessis) would disagree with him as well.


This would be like Alexander Volkanovski (with the Russian last name similar to DuPlessis being a Dutch last name) saying he’s the first Oceanic fighter to headline a UFC card, over Mark Hunt because Hunt trained at American Top Team and therefore it invalidates him from being an Oceanic fighter despite being a literal Samoan born in New Zealand.

What ever floats Izzy’s boat man.
In my eyes DPP is just as african as Izzy and has home court advantage on Izzy based on where they were born.

If you are implying DPP is less south African & African based on his color, then the same would apply to non natives from any country.
Let’s see what you are implying:

Andy Silva is not be a “true Brazilian” but a lesser Brazilian because he isn’t native

Neither is Overeem a “true Dutch”

Tony Ferguson, Nick Diaz, Brian Ortega and Jones are not be true “Americans”

The Crow be a “true Canadian”

Jairzinho Rozenstruik Is not a true Suriname-an

Gane is not a true French man because “he doesn’t have the correct skin tone”

Per your logic, all these fine men are not true nationals of their country and can’t represent the continent they were born in because of the skin color and their history.

If the argument is based purely on race, sure, but DPP never said anything about race. He only talked about being born, living, breathing training eating sleeping and pooping in the motherland. I am Izzy fan but I’m not afraid to call my boy out.

 

[Superzorro]

Well technically we've all probably descended from Africa originally.

Race isn’t determined by that point in history. They’re determined by the point where people started developing features to survive certain climates/hemispheres of the planet. No one’s saying that Africa isn’t his nationality. It’s just not his race or ethnicity.

What ever floats Izzy’s boat man.
In my eyes DPP is just as african as Izzy and has home court advantage on Izzy based on where they were born.

If you are implying DPP is less south African & African based on his color, then the same would apply to non natives from any country.
Let’s see what you are implying:

Andy Silva is not be a “true Brazilian” but a lesser Brazilian because he isn’t native

Neither is Overeem a “true Dutch”

Tony Ferguson, Nick Diaz, Brian Ortega and Jones are not be true “Americans”

The Crow be a “true Canadian”

Jairzinho Rozenstruik Is not a true Suriname-an

Gane is not a true French man because “he doesn’t have the correct skin tone”

Per your logic, all these fine men are not true nationals of their country and can’t represent the continent they were born in because of the skin color and their history.

If the argument is based purely on race, sure, but DPP never said anything about race. He only talked about being born, living, breathing training eating sleeping and pooping in the motherland. I am Izzy fan but I’m not afraid to call my boy out.

You’re conflating nationality with race and ethnicity. Gane is French in terms of nationality. But ethnically, he’s considered to be mixed race iirc. The same goes for all the other examples you listed, however with a few caveats.
There might be an argument for Tony Ferguson, Nick Diaz and Brian Ortega being American. Actual Americans are Native Americans. And with Mexicans, I’m pretty sure to some degree it could be argued that some of them are native to South America.

Anderson Silva is Brazilian nationally. But most black people in Brazil are ethnically Angolan or Congolese.


Some people here genuinely don’t know the difference between ethnicity, race and nationality. And that’s cool. But then there are some people who are playing stupid and being deceptive with their wording to try and prove a fake point.

 

[Paladin]

Race isn’t determined by that point in history. They’re determined by the point where people started developing features to survive certain climates/hemispheres of the planet. No one’s saying that Africa isn’t his nationality. It’s just not his race or ethnicity.



You’re conflating nationality with race and ethnicity. Gane is French in terms of nationality. But ethnically, he’s considered to be mixed race iirc. The same goes for all the other examples you listed, however with a few caveats.
There might be an argument for Tony Ferguson, Nick Diaz and Brian Ortega being American. Actual Americans are Native Americans. And with Mexicans, I’m pretty sure to some degree it could be argued that some of them are native to South America.

Anderson Silva is Brazilian nationally. But most black people in Brazil are ethnically Angolan or Congolese.


Some people here genuinely don’t know the difference between ethnicity, race and nationality. And that’s cool. But then there are some people who are playing stupid and being deceptive with their wording to try and prove a fake point.

Thank you for proving my point that if it doesn’t make sense to call Gane “less than full French” then the same applies to DPP.
He is fully South African by birth and that’s the end of it.

So to be crystal clear, we are both agreeing that this whole discussion is about nationality and not race right?

I don’t recall DPP EVER bringing race into it, which is why it’s sad my boy Izzy started race baiting in the octagon.

 

[Superzorro]

Thank you for proving my point that if it doesn’t make sense to call Gane “less than full French” then the same applies to DPP.
He is fully South African by birth and that’s the end of it.

So to be crystal clear, we are both agreeing that this whole discussion is about nationality and not race right?

I don’t recall DPP EVER bringing race into it, which is why it’s sad my boy Izzy started race baiting in the octagon.

Let’s be clear here. Dricus is the one saying he’s more African than Adesanya, Usman, Ngannou and all the other Africans in the UFC, by saying he would be the first “real” African champion. You’re now trying to flip the script. They never said they were more African than him. And he didn’t specify So how is he going to be the first “real” African champion if there were three others who came before him? Let’s pretend he did and he specifically said nationality. You’re using nationality (which again is not an even playing field because his country has an infrastructure that allows for MMA promotions and makes it easier to be an MMA fighter), but what about the other categories, which he is clearly not? The one category that you claim he’s referring to is debatable. And we just ignore the other two in which he has no grounds to make him feel better? He can say he’s miraculously the first African champion by nationality (which is just privilege), and crap on the situations the others had to escape. But then they can just say “no, you’re not African ethnically or racially.” Either way, he’s not the first anything. You don’t get to pick and choose the categories that put you in a good light and ignore the others.

 

[Dirty Frank]

I am pretty sure Izzy is the source and that he has come right out and said he had servants growing up.

but "bathing servants" though?

 

[usernamee]

Let’s be clear here. Dricus is the one saying he’s more African than Adesanya, Usman, Ngannou and all the other Africans in the UFC, by saying he would be the first “real” African champion.

That's made up by you.

He explicitly said he wasn't saying he's more African. And that real African meant someone born, raised, and actually lives and trains there wins a belt.

Leon Edwards said the same thing before and after he won the belt. That he would be the first real British champion because Bisping didn't actually live and train in Britain when he became champ.

 

[Superzorro]

That's made up by you.

He explicitly said he wasn't saying he's more African. And that real African meant someone born, raised, and actually lives and trains there wins a belt.

Leon Edwards said the same thing before and after he won the belt. That he would be the first real British champion because Bisping didn't actually live and train in Britain when he became champ.

If you say you’re real and another person is fake, then you’re saying that you’re more of whatever’s being referred to— or, that person isn’t (African) at all.

Leon Edwards is a human, who can be wrong. Who made him the authority on this topic? Do you base right and wrong on what other people have to say?

 

[usernamee]

If you say you’re real and another person is fake, then you’re saying that you’re more of whatever’s being referred to— or, that person isn’t (African) at all.

Leon Edwards is a human, who can be wrong. Who made him the authority on this topic? Do you base right and wrong on what other people have to say?

Again you're making things up.

First you made up that he meant he was MORE African.

Now you're making up that him saying real means the others are FAKE.

I wont have this discussion with you because it's not going to lead anywhere.

 

[Paladin]

Again you're making things up.

First you made up that he meant he was MORE African.

Now you're making up that him saying real means the others are FAKE.

I wont have this discussion with you because it's not going to lead anywhere.

This

 

[Paladin]

Let’s be clear here. Dricus is the one saying he’s more African than Adesanya, Usman, Ngannou and all the other Africans in the UFC, by saying he would be the first “real” African champion. You’re now trying to flip the script. They never said they were more African than him. And he didn’t specify So how is he going to be the first “real” African champion if there were three others who came before him? Let’s pretend he did and he specifically said nationality. You’re using nationality (which again is not an even playing field because his country has an infrastructure that allows for MMA promotions and makes it easier to be an MMA fighter), but what about the other categories, which he is clearly not? The one category that you claim he’s referring to is debatable. And we just ignore the other two in which he has no grounds to make him feel better? He can say he’s miraculously the first African champion by nationality (which is just privilege), and crap on the situations the others had to escape. But then they can just say “no, you’re not African ethnically or racially.” Either way, he’s not the first anything. You don’t get to pick and choose the categories that put you in a good light and ignore the others.

I see. DDP can’t speak on being African but you can right?

You have your mind Made up. Let’s agree do disagree. You saying South Africa is less African than Nigeria is mind boggling.

 

[Poirierfan]

but "bathing servants" though?

I do remember Izzy saying it somewhere.