Opinion Indians keep flooding Canada

[Hog-train]

As a person of Indian descent (Born in Canada by way of Guyana), I agree with everything you said...... except the part about foreign doctors/specialists not being Indian.

I live in Brampton (The Nexus point for all Sikhs in Canada), and almost every doctor at William Osler is South Asian or Asian.

I have so many axes to grind with the Indian community, I don't have time in the day to write all of them out. The highlights:

1) Buy a house and turn it into a hostel with 15 Indian Students
2) Those same 15 students will have zero money and work warehouse jobs, but drive nicer cars than I do
3) No attempts to assimilate. I got laughed at at a Tim Horton's (Brampton) because I couldn't speak Hindi or Punjabi. The girl behind the counter thought it was so funny a brown guy could only speak English

4* This one is specific to me, but Indian people don't consider me Indian. They view Guyanese people more as black, because we were part of the indentured slave trade that brought Africans and Indians to work the sugar plantations during colonialism. I have been told multiple times in my life that I am not Indian.... and you know what, I'm glad. I'm Canadian - That's where I was born, that is where I was raised and that is who I pledge my allegiance to.

I know a few Guyanese Indians here in NY. They're completely different than "Indian Indians."

 

[rearnakedchoke]

I know a few Guyanese Indians here in NY. They're completely different than "Indian Indians."

There are a lot of skunts here in Toronto. Many of my buddies are Guyanese. I disagree with @Brampton_Boy partially. They may not consider you Indian. But they do consider you brown.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Here is my issue. Can you imagine any other group moving into India and taking over? In China? In a Muslim Nation? And you just don't assimilate and practice your customs and religions right in the open with no respect to locals? Would just not be allowed. I was just in Toronto and couldn't believe it. I thought London was pretty Indian. But Toronto was startling. Wearing Sandals in the snow.

LOL. Check out the fascist over here.

So they should practice their religion and customs behind closed doors? Openly practicing whatever the fuck religion you want is the norm in about 95% of the countries in the world now. What are you, from the 1700s?

And what kind of customs are so disrespectful to locals? Wearing sandals in the snow! Oh heavens...

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

People have this perception that the white Europeans conquering this land is somehow unique but it's really not

People are just mad that white Europeans were best at it.

Most of this is a fault of the education system which has focused in on two tragedies in history: Transatlantic Slave Trade and the Holocaust, while more or less ignoring the rest of human history.

People are taught that those are two unique events in history, when they not only aren't, but aren't even close to the worst cases of slavery or genocide.
During WW2, 20 million Chinese were slaughtered while most people on the street won't even know China was involved in WW2 unless they've read about the Rape of Nanking or heard about it on Jeopardy.
The Holodomor killed 7-10 million Ukranians through starvation the same decade WW2 started.
There are more people in modern-day slavery than during the times of the transatlantic slave trade between the 15th and 19th centuries.
Genghis Khan wiped out entire civilizations stacking bodies and bones in piles so high, traders traveling the roads thought they were snowcapped mountains in the distance until the roads became slick with the grease of decaying bodies a few miles from the piles. Dan Carlin said it well in his history on the Mongols, emphasizing that "the atrocities of the Mongols aren't different in type, but perhaps only in scope, relative to other empire builders."

Every single peoples has lived through indescribable tragedy through their history. I'm used to the kvetching in the Balkans where you still hear people talk about the Turks, Ottomans, Austro Hungarians, every other Balkan nation, hell, I literally heard a guy bitching about the history of the fuckin Roman Empire colonizing us in Montenegro.

It's all about perception I suppose, but it goes to show you how good life is these days when we can still bitch about things that happened 200-2000 years ago.

 

[Koro_11]

People are just mad that white Europeans were best at it.

Most of this is a fault of the education system which has focused in on two tragedies in history: Transatlantic Slave Trade and the Holocaust, while more or less ignoring the rest of human history.

People are taught that those are two unique events in history, when they not only aren't, but aren't even close to the worst cases of slavery or genocide.
During WW2, 20 million Chinese were slaughtered while most people on the street won't even know China was involved in WW2 unless they've read about the Rape of Nanking or heard about it on Jeopardy.
The Holodomor killed 7-10 million Ukranians through starvation the same decade WW2 started.
There are more people in modern-day slavery than during the times of the transatlantic slave trade between the 15th and 19th centuries.
Genghis Khan wiped out entire civilizations stacking bodies and bones in piles so high, traders traveling the roads thought they were snowcapped mountains in the distance until the roads became slick with the grease of decaying bodies a few miles from the piles. Dan Carlin said it well in his history on the Mongols, emphasizing that "the atrocities of the Mongols aren't different in type, but perhaps only in scope, relative to other empire builders."

Every single peoples has lived through indescribable tragedy through their history. I'm used to the kvetching in the Balkans where you still hear people talk about the Turks, Ottomans, Austro Hungarians, every other Balkan nation, hell, I literally heard a guy bitching about the history of the fuckin Roman Empire colonizing us in Montenegro.

It's all about perception I suppose, but it goes to show you how good life is these days when we can still bitch about things that happened 200-2000 years ago.

Yeah you pretty much said it all, in their mind there's only Hitler, and white colonizers, and everything else was just everyone singing kumbaya in a perfect utopia. I've also listened to countless hours of history and any Dan Carlin content I could get, and it really helped put things into perspective for me and made me realize just how lucky we are to be living in the time we are living.

So yeah, when one of these pampered trained seals repeat the same lame shit like "racist", "nazi", "literally Hitler", "America is the worst place ever", or whatever other dumb shit, my blood just starts to boil, I wish I could fucken send them back in time to somewhere like ancient Assyria where the local warlord will filet you alive if you object to anything he says. Just a bunch of soft crybabies with zero knowledge about anything outside of their shitty little bubble.

 

[mozfonky]

The term "stockholm syndrome" has been applied to people who end up getting brainwashed by an abuser and it's been used to describe some black celebs like OJ Simpson and others. Unfortunately, most people aren't very strong. For every guy like Muhammad Ali who was defiant and proudly black, there were always more of the OJ's, always.

The thing is though, an OJ ("I'm not black, I'm OJ") or a Sherman Alexie will never really be accepted and as soon as a scandal hits, they will see just how much they are really accepted and loved. Why and who would want to put themselves in that position? I never would but as I mentioned, there never will be a shortage of sellouts and self-loathers. All I can say is I wouldn't ever want you on my side no matter which side that is.

We've seen a lot of Mexican citizens in the US vote for trump or talk shit about illegals, not realizing that lots of people don't see any difference at all. So, like the Dylan song, they only want to be on the side that's winning but they just make themselves laughable and like real weasels. Every race under any sort of discrimination has those kind.

 

[mozfonky]

Yeah you pretty much said it all, in their mind there's only Hitler, and white colonizers, and everything else was just everyone singing kumbaya in a perfect utopia. I've also listened to countless hours of history and any Dan Carlin content I could get, and it really helped put things into perspective for me and made me realize just how lucky we are to be living in the time we are living.

So yeah, when one of these pampered trained seals repeat the same lame shit like "racist", "nazi", "literally Hitler", "America is the worst place ever", or whatever other dumb shit, my blood just starts to boil, I wish I could fucken send them back in time to somewhere like ancient Assyria where the local warlord will filet you alive if you object to anything he says. Just a bunch of soft crybabies with zero knowledge about anything outside of their shitty little bubble.

a dark truth underneath all the xenophobia is that any outsider will come in an do the exact same thing to these places taking in large amounts of immigrants. People have historically usually been fearful an non-accepting of strangers. Native American's were friendly and helpful at many times to the european so xenophobia would have served them better.

The fear is valid I guess. I wouldn't shed any tears if the govt here in the US got ran over, it will happen just like every other in history eventually. Civil war is in our future somewhere and xenophobia is probably justified here but it's not my problem. From what I hear, the northern countries of europe have lots of muslims, ya, they will take over if they can. Innocent people who are just trying to live their lives will always have to be caught in the middle.

Long story short, I believe there are just too many damned people on the planet and our days as a species are numbered.

 

[Gene Tunney]

Yeah you pretty much said it all, in their mind there's only Hitler, and white colonizers, and everything else was just everyone singing kumbaya in a perfect utopia. I've also listened to countless hours of history and any Dan Carlin content I could get, and it really helped put things into perspective for me and made me realize just how lucky we are to be living in the time we are living.

So yeah, when one of these pampered trained seals repeat the same lame shit like "racist", "nazi", "literally Hitler", "America is the worst place ever", or whatever other dumb shit, my blood just starts to boil, I wish I could fucken send them back in time to somewhere like ancient Assyria where the local warlord will filet you alive if you object to anything he says. Just a bunch of soft crybabies with zero knowledge about anything outside of their shitty little bubble.

Humans just do not create utopias. We create operating machines. Societal, political, religious, industrial, commercial, medias. Once a person is fully integrated into a machine, the mind is thoroughly conditioned.

 

[Koro_11]

Native American's were friendly and helpful at many times to the european so xenophobia would have served them better.

And even more times they were unfriendly and they cut off their scalps.

 

[mozfonky]

Humans just do not create utopias. We create operating machines. Societal, political, religious, industrial, commercial, medias. Once a person is fully integrated into a machine, the mind is thoroughly conditioned.

ironically, our colleges don't do it though. I was just watching that kid from Gran Torino, the boy actor, he's now a highly educated guy and talks shit about the movie and how Clint was playing the white savior. That thought wasn't even in his head before he went to some stupid college. The colleges need to really concern themselves with helping students with getting jobs that they can use to pay back their loans, not put a lot of non-academia bullshit in their heads.

You're not in school to protest, you're supposed to be their to learn enough to be able to go out in the real world and survive. But, these kids get hoodwinked.

 

[mozfonky]

And even more times they were unfriendly and they cut off their scalps.

damn right, they should have done things a lot differently for sure. No help, no friendliness, make them work for every inch of soil. But we were basically stone aged people, actually, we all are underneath the surface. Our species has spent way more time living tribally, in groups numbering no more than 150 than we have living like we do. I believe that's why we're all so damned miserable and we don't even realize it. Humans, and I keep saying this to everyone I know, over and over. "We aren't supposed to live like this" when they bemoan what their neighbor is suing them over or they are dealing with crime or whatever. Human beings period are not mentally equipped to live like this inspite of all the smartphones and toys and easy living we get.

 

[Koro_11]

damn right, they should have done things a lot differently for sure. No help, no friendliness, make them work for every inch of soil. But we were basically stone aged people, actually, we all are underneath the surface. Our species has spent way more time living tribally, in groups numbering no more than 150 than we have living like we do. I believe that's why we're all so damned miserable and we don't even realize it. Humans, and I keep saying this to everyone I know, over and over. "We aren't supposed to live like this" when they bemoan what their neighbor is suing them over or they are dealing with crime or whatever. Human beings period are not mentally equipped to live like this inspite of all the smartphones and toys and easy living we get.

I don't think you should give up hope on us just yet, when you look at history and put everything in perspective we're doing pretty damn good and we should acknowledge our progress in that department. The war room and the internet in general is a sad place that will almost always just show you the worst parts of humanity, but in the real world people for the most part are pretty decent when push comes to shove and will also help each other and do great heroic things when the situation calls for it.

 

[mozfonky]

I don't think you should give up hope on us just yet, when you look at history and put everything in perspective we're doing pretty damn good and we should acknowledge our progress in that department. The war room and the internet in general is a sad place that will almost always just show you the worst parts of humanity, but in the real world people for the most part are pretty decent when push comes to shove and will also help each other and do great heroic things when the situation calls for it.

I know, there really is a yin/yang to human nature. I pretty much wish I could just be left alone. Do immigrants irritate me? Hell, human beings period irritate me, just too many people and no privacy and so much hostility and selfishness.

I'm old now and not interested so much in the world anymore, but I don't see the drama dying down in the least.

With all these immigrations happening in different places? Hell ya, there eventually will be all sorts of deaths on both sides. The world's a big place if it weren't for money, a lot of these issues would solve themselves. And a dirty truth of immigration is that someone is padding their pockets with all these desperate people sold on some bullshit.

I have an east Indian buddy, he claimed asylum status over some beating he probably may or may not have gotten. Now, he's had 3 or 4 cousins move over here after seeing him live the good life and he's already turning on his own, "they are just telling a story" referring to the claim for refuge status. He would know, he shouldn't say a thing really.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Openly practicing whatever the fuck religion you want is the norm in about 95% of the countries in the world now.

That's not even remotely true.

 

[mozfonky]

That's not even remotely true.

Well, I wouldn't know, but the east Indian buddy I mentioned claimed that he was beat for being a member of some sect. Very possible in a place where they'll use any excuse to abuse you.

One of his cousins claimed that he had a muslim girlfriend and he was from a different sect/religion, the girls family killed their own daughter and left the boyfriend beaten and for dead. He left India over it and came here. Again, I have no idea if any of it's true.

One thing I'll give the immigrants credit for, if I go to a 7-11 with an immigrant, they are usually mild mannered and presentable, when I go to a 7-eleven or a fast food place where there are nothing but young americans or disheveled americans there are always way more hassles. A lot of our people are totally useless and maybe we wouldn't need immigrants if we weren't so mouthy, unfriendly and lazy. Those mexicans people badmouth bust their asses in ways that most americans will never appreciate. I just don't get why though, why do that for no money and calls to boot you out? I can only think they have no self respect just like the guys I used to see in the mma world just desperate to get on tv even if they were risking their body an pride for peanuts, no self respect. Self-respect and respect from others is pretty much something that has to be taken in most situations.

 

[mozfonky]

either way, I think it's safe to say, most of us have no control over most of these complicated issues.

 

[Koro_11]

I know, there really is a yin/yang to human nature. I pretty much wish I could just be left alone. Do immigrants irritate me? Hell, human beings period irritate me, just too many people and no privacy and so much hostility and selfishness.

I'm old now and not interested so much in the world anymore, but I don't see the drama dying down in the least.

With all these immigrations happening in different places? Hell ya, there eventually will be all sorts of deaths on both sides. The world's a big place if it weren't for money, a lot of these issues would solve themselves. And a dirty truth of immigration is that someone is padding their pockets with all these desperate people sold on some bullshit.

I have an east Indian buddy, he claimed asylum status over some beating he probably may or may not have gotten. Now, he's had 3 or 4 cousins move over here after seeing him live the good life and he's already turning on his own, "they are just telling a story" referring to the claim for refuge status. He would know, he shouldn't say a thing really.

Yeah I get where you're coming from man, if it was just me I would up and move to some remote wilderness where the closest grocery store is at least an hour away, hunt and grow some vegetables.

But in my case I have a wife and kid and whether I like it or not I'm invested in the future and have to try to make the best of it and hopefully prepare him for adulthood as best as I can. It's hard knowing that even in the best case he's bound to suffer to some extent along the way but such is life, we still have it pretty good relative to all those who came before us.

Think of it this way brother, for me and you to exist today just imagine how many generations of our fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers had to survive in the most harsh enviroments just long enough to be able to reproduce at least once and pass on that line. Life is often dirty cruel and shitty, but it's also beautiful and miraculous that we're even here, gotta try to make the best of it and hopefully leave a positive mark on the world before we inevitably check out for good. Even if you hate everything you can always take comfort in knowing that you and everyone you hate will inevitably meet their end one day.

"The Worldly Hope men set their Hearts upon Turns Ashes--or it prospers; and anon, Like Snow upon the Desert's dusty Face Lighting a little Hour or two--is gone.".

 

[Deleted member 592570]

One thing I'll give the immigrants credit for, if I go to a 7-11 with an immigrant, they are usually mild mannered and presentable,

I white areas, sure. Because they're the minority. If you go to an Indian store in an Indian part of a Canadian city, they can be very hostile

 

[mozfonky]

Yeah I get where you're coming from man, if it was just me I would up and move to some remote wilderness where the closest grocery store is at least an hour away, hunt and grow some vegetables.

But in my case I have a wife and kid and whether I like it or not I'm invested in the future and have to try to make the best of it and hopefully prepare him for adulthood as best as I can. It's hard knowing that even in the best case he's bound to suffer to some extent along the way but such is life, we still have it pretty good relative to all those who came before us.

Think of it this way brother, for me and you to exist today just imagine how many generations of our fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers had to survive in the most harsh enviroments just long enough to be able to reproduce at least once and pass on that line. Life is often dirty cruel and shitty, but it's also beautiful and miraculous that we're even here, gotta try to make the best of it and hopefully leave a positive mark on the world before we inevitably check out for good. Even if you hate everything you can always take comfort in knowing that you and everyone you hate will inevitably meet their end one day.

"The Worldly Hope men set their Hearts upon Turns Ashes--or it prospers; and anon, Like Snow upon the Desert's dusty Face Lighting a little Hour or two--is gone.".

I'm very lucky in comparison to some of the Natives I know but I'll never forget them. In fact, it's akin to ptsd just thinking of some of them, I'm obsessed by them. But, I don't see what I could have done differently or even now, what I can do for those that are still around.

The other side to the human problem is that we do need people. Humans do not do well totally on their own.

 

[Koro_11]

I white areas, sure. Because they're the minority. If you go to an Indian store in an Indian part of a Canadian city, they can be very hostile

For sure, and this can be said for every ethnic group, you encounter one and he's usually very well mannered, but you encounter a group of them and they can be insufferable.

That said to be fair, the east Indians are not the worst type of migrants, they have their negatives but I would much rather deal with them than most of the type of immigrants Europe gets. The average Indian person is fairly respectful and probably won't try to blow you up or rape your woman, I'm sure out of a billion people there will be some bad apples there too, but for the most part they're fairly decent at least when it comes to public safety, etc... I live close to Brampton and I have personally never had any bad encounters with any person in a turban. I wish they would assimilate better, but I would much rather deal with them then an influx of Muslims from North Africa, or Somalia, etc...