Crime Incels: how online extremism is changing

King Charles III:

If there is much misunderstanding in the West about the nature of Islam, there is also much ignorance about the debt our own culture and civilisation owe to the Islamic world. It is a failure which stems, I think, from the straitjacket of history which we have inherited. The medieval Islamic world, from Central Asia to the shores of the Atlantic, was a world where scholars and men of learning flourished. But because we have tended to see Islam as the enemy of the West, as an alien culture, society and system of belief, we have tended to ignore or erase its great relevance to our own history.

For example, we have underestimated the importance of 800 years of Islamic society and culture in Spain between the 8th and 15th centuries. The contribution of Muslim Spain to the preservation of classical learning during the Dark Ages, and to the first flowerings of the Renaissance, has long been recognised. But Islamic Spain was much more than a mere larder where Hellenistic knowledge was kept for later consumption by the emerging modern Western world. Not only did Muslim Spain gather and preserve the intellectual content of ancient Greek and Roman civilisation, it also interpreted and expanded upon that civilisation, and made a vital contribution of its own in so many fields of human endeavour – in science, astronomy, mathematics, algebra (itself an Arabic word), law, history, medicine, pharmacology, optics, agriculture, architecture, theology, music. Averroes and Avenzoor, like their counterparts Avicenna and Rhazes in the East, contributed to the study and practice of medicine in ways from which Europe benefited for centuries afterwards.

https://www.islam21c.com/news-views/king-charles-iii-and-islam/
 
What happened between 2008 and 2018 that increased the incel rate from a steady 8% to 27%? Anyone want to take a guess?
 
I once attended a presentation by Dawud Walid, he's a pretty charismatic guy.

Personally I am a bit worried about guys like Tate and Sneako(fellow redpill streamer) converting to Islam and showing interest in the religion. Islamist mass shooters and incel mass shooters are bad enough separately, we don't want to see them joining forces. Just imagine the combined arms attack of incel shitposters and Islamist beheaders.

He has a book on manhood I am very tempted to buy titled

Futuwwah and Raising Males into Sacred Manhood
https://imamghazali.co/products/fut...19839&pr_ref_pid=6176865386655&pr_seq=uniform
 
What happened between 2008 and 2018 that increased the incel rate from a steady 8% to 27%? Anyone want to take a guess?

Even the nerdiest guys I knew in high school usually had girlfriends by their early 20s at the latest.

If I had to guess, I would assume porn and a lack of physical social interaction in general.

Online dating also I guess. This is seemingly what started the whole Chad thing.
 
Even the nerdiest guys I knew in high school usually had girlfriends by their early 20s at the latest.

If I had to guess, I would assume porn and a lack of physical social interaction in general.

Online dating also I guess.
Why is porn blamed so often? I watched it all through my twenties while I was going out with different girls . Porn didn’t make me tired or make me not want to meet girls.
 
I think men, on the whole, are dealing with failure in relationships better than at any point in human history.

Extreme examples exist, but there is also a whole lot more rejection than men have had to deal with in previous times. Obviously some people will lash out in a destructive manner.

I think a fundamental problem that isn’t really being talked about is that it is very difficult to actually meet compatible people with dignity. Our society makes it practically difficult for people to “couple up”.

Where do men even go to meet women these days? Online dating is a minefield, nightclubs and bars are full of problems and are not everyone’s scene. I remember watching a YouTube video saying to meet women in the “library “ or the “supermarket” … I was like really?? You will get a reputation for being a predator, at best and a lawsuit at worst.

A lot of these marriage/dating agencies also charge a lot of money and usually only charge men.

My main point is, it’s not even that men and women are not “coupling up”, it’s that it is physically, practically difficult to even meet compatible partners while keeping some semblance of dignity. Even moreso with COVID, social distancing etc. etc.
 
Why is porn blamed so often? I watched it all through my twenties while I was going out with different girls . Porn didn’t make me tired or make me not want to meet girls.

I think it will probably decrease motivation to pursue women on average and increase men's standards on average.
 
Half of single men avoid approaching women for fear of seeming creepy

https://thepostmillennial.com/half-of-single-men-avoid-approaching-women-for-fear-of-seeming-creepy

Men avoid women out of fear of being creepy. 44 percent of men said the fear of being creepy “reduces their likelihood of interacting with women” generally, which jumps to 53 percent of men who reported that they are single.

Good timing. I literally just made a similar point.

It’s not even that men and women are choosing not to “couple up”, it’s that it is practically difficult to meet compatible people while retaining some semblance of dignity.
 
I don't get why dudes are so obsessed with beauty.
Is it because you're only attracted to beautiful women or is it because you think beautiful women are a status symbol to impress people around you?
Nope. Its a whole lot better to have sex with a beautiful girl than it is a hog. Not sure how you missed that.
 
I think it will probably decrease motivation to pursue women on average and increase men's standards on average.

Yeah, pornography is very addictive and it’s freely available. I would say the problems with pornography are not just negative for relationships with women, but all kinds of other issues. It’s bad for you, in general.
 
Nope. Its a whole lot better to have sex with a beautiful girl than it is a hog. Not sure how you missed that.

Men are attracted to different women. There are some women that I find very attractive, but they might not be “society’s idea” of beauty.

For instance, personally, I find the typical “Miss universe” type women unattractive sexually. Too tall, big feet, too skinny … but, we are told that this is the pinnacle of beauty and what all men should aspire to …

meh, give me a short, cute girl with glasses and a bit of cushion any day of the week! Moreso, if we actually get along with each other and can have an intelligent conversation.
 
I think every guy can get a girl.

Doesn't matter what you "think," the facts say differently.

The whole reason that monogamy and marriage evolved in nearly every society on earth is because it mitigated the incel problem which destabilizes society.
 
Islam seems to be the way to go if you hate women. I'm seeing that too lately, Islam is looked upon as a masculine religion whereas Christianity has gone soft by accepting gays and stuff. I bet he loves the countries that restrict women's rights. It's really sad that this is the man that is influencing millions of young boys.

I really don't know what you do with these people. They have a huge victim mentality and instead of self-improvement they choose to blame all women for not sleeping with them. They feel entitled to sex and it just doesn't work that way. I think for one, these people need to stop living terminally online lives. They need to go out there into the real world and start talking to people. I think traveling really helped me break out of my shell. It forces you into uncomfortable situations at times, especially if you go alone as I did while I was very young. It gives you some confidence that you can do things on your own. I don't know the solution, but I do know that sitting in front of a computer all day, every day and complaining about women is not one of them.
For all my criticisms of Islam, becoming a follower will probably improve their overall behavior
 
I agree that there's increased focus on consumption over family although I'm not sure that the financial capability for marriage and children has shrunk. More that the perception of what is expected has shifted. Whereas before people might have been fine with a 1500 sq.ft house sending 2-4 kids to public school, now people need the 2500 sq.ft. house and the kids have to go to private school. But if someone was willing to accept the former, it's not beyond most people's financial capability. That's the consumption piece that you alluded to.

Oh snap, you turned me into a zombie.
 
I wouldn't say Islam is generally practiced as a misogynist religion. There are certainly misogynist Muslims and certain cultures throughout the world where Islam is the dominant religion and are oppressive to women, but generally speaking, most Muslim men treat women and children well. There is obviously a reason Islam is growing and many of the converts are women.

Iran is facing criticism from Muslims and I highly doubt people will stop being Muslim once the regime falls.

An incel converting to Islam isn't going to miraculously help him obtain a submissive wife he can dominate and treat harshly. I find Muslim woman aren't exactly push-overs. Many of the Muslim women I know are very strong willed.


Hot take: I found the women in India to be way more conservative and hidden and unwilling to talk to men than pretty much all the Muslim majority nations I've been to. Granted, I haven't been to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan where I could picture it being more fundamentalist than other places I've been.
 
What happened between 2008 and 2018 that increased the incel rate from a steady 8% to 27%? Anyone want to take a guess?

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I think a fundamental problem that isn’t really being talked about is that it is very difficult to actually meet compatible people with dignity. Our society makes it practically difficult for people to “couple up”.

Where do men even go to meet women these days? Online dating is a minefield, nightclubs and bars are full of problems and are not everyone’s scene. I remember watching a YouTube video saying to meet women in the “library “ or the “supermarket” … I was like really?? You will get a reputation for being a predator, at best and a lawsuit at worst.

A lot of these marriage/dating agencies also charge a lot of money and usually only charge men.

My main point is, it’s not even that men and women are not “coupling up”, it’s that it is physically, practically difficult to even meet compatible partners while keeping some semblance of dignity. Even moreso with COVID, social distancing etc. etc.
This is a really good take, one of the better ones I've read on this site on the matter. One of the things traditional societies do to encourage marriage is precisely to create social spaces and customs of courtship so that the rules are more clear. That can get oppressive when those customs and spaces don't allow the prospective bride and groom much choice or even worse, impose certain choices on them, but I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The nightclub/bar script is just really toxic IMO. Feminist love to talk of rape culture but curiously I never see them question the courtship ritual of a man approaching a woman at a bar and buying her a drink even though alcohol consumption is a huge risk factor for rape. You're basically encouraging false #metoo accusations and date rape if your courtship scheme starts with the man plying his date with alcohol.
 
Sure, everything's more expensive but they're a lot more affordable than the 2500-6000 options. And it's not just about the house, it's the whole array of things that people have gradually shifted from the "nice but not necessary" category into the "gotta have or I'm failing at life" category.

It's funny you mention this, because I've often said that like if you really really trim the fat of your life it's amazing what you could get buy on. Like if you buy furniture and clothes second hand, stayed a few generations behind on cellphones and computers, if you get food from the discount retailers and the dented tins of salmon lol. I think you really really have to find a perfect match with the complete same mindset to get such a situation to work. Unfortunately we're a shallow species lol, and people don't like talking about their thrift lifestyle when their friends are talking about their luxury expenditures. Even kids at school would likely be teased and mocked for being in said situation. It's really sad when you think about it.

Back in the day I had a grade school teacher that was constantly bringing in troubled kids into his home / adopting them. Some of the kids would go to the same school, and you could tell they couldn't afford much. In retrospect I marvel at the ability of someone to do that, and it's kind of sad how much that is the exception as opposed to the rule of what people are willing to do.
 
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