Crime Incels: how online extremism is changing

[Zazen]

It’s not new. Women represent nothing but risk for men. I have to be good looking charming funny in shape financially secure and so on in order to get a woman who Carrie’s the majority of the debt and will who will be the one to instigate the divorce so she can leave with half of whatever I have. She had to be attractive and agreeable. Now women don’t think they have to be agreeable either. So all they are now is attractive, aka a piece of ass. That’s fine for hooking up. I’m down for that. But to have a meaningful relationship there’s nothing there for me. If I was dating today I’d resign myself to living alone and getting laid. There’s literally nothing else there for you. Religious women might still be ok. Can’t say. Also, liberal women are the least happy of any group. So if you want one of these forward thinking types just know they’re miserable. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

That's just sad dude. My life is easier since having a wife. She has a good job, she's a great mother and wife and we both split all the expenses of our home and bills. I think living alone is tougher in today's economy. You have all those expenses but now all of that has to get paid on a single income. Adding another person into the family doesn't double the spending, you just have to pay for more food, an additional person's health insurance. That's why young people move back to their families now.

 

[So Fresh]

That's for a reason, incels recognize that Islam has achieved what they want. They want a society with strict gender roles where men are entitled to certain privileges. Islam is just not compatible with my world view and I won't defend it ever. It is a religion that would send us back in time. This is where I get into arguments with a lot of fellow leftists. I see a ton of support for them but these idiots are no better than the moronic Christian nationalists that want to force their views on the rest of Americans. Most Muslims just don't have political power in the USA. If they did, it would be no different than the current agenda you see from extremists here. Full on abortion ban, putting prayer in school, punish LGBT, etc.

But Islam is such a broad term. Christian nationalist are more specific. It’s a false comparison. If you wanna compare it, compare it to Christianity and Just like christianity, Islam has a very diverse following. There is no need to defend anything, you can just be realistic. You have very strict muslims and you have very liberal muslims. You even have feminist muslims. There is a lot of islam I don’t agree with either, just like I have with other religions.

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

That's for a reason, incels recognize that Islam has achieved what they want. They want a society with strict gender roles where men are entitled to certain privileges. Islam is just not compatible with my world view and I won't defend it ever. It is a religion that would send us back in time. This is where I get into arguments with a lot of fellow leftists. I see a ton of support for them but these idiots are no better than the moronic Christian nationalists that want to force their views on the rest of Americans. Most Muslims just don't have political power in the USA. If they did, it would be no different than the current agenda you see from extremists here. Full on abortion ban, putting prayer in school, punish LGBT, etc.

Incels may like the mainstream media's twisted version, but they couldn't handle being a genuine Muslim man. A genuine Muslim man has to take on a lot of responsibility caring for his wife and children and living a life of hard work, self-discipline, restraint and sacrifice. A true Muslim man lives a life of virtue.

Imam Dawud & Dr Bilal Ware

 

[Islam Imamate]

You keep making assumptions, you know you are in a losing position when you defend that disgusting religion of yours. Look at the women protesting in Iran. And genius over here is like "yeah, they like that." You're moron

The irony of you accusing me of making assumptions and then assuming I support the Islamic Republic of Iran against its protestors is just rich when ITT I specifically condemned that regime. But in your mind "Muslims bad" so we must support the worst actions of our coreligionists.

I'm not going to pretend like there aren't many Muslim countries that are incredibly oppressive towards women(just look a the Iran protests for starters)

The thing is unlike you, who is happy to run interference for oppressive communist regimes, I'm perfectly willing and able to critique oppressive Muslim societies. Again its no wonder you were the lone poster regurgitating the CCP's apologist narrative in regards to the Uyghur ethnic cleansing.

The reason that an incel might find Islam attractive isn't because "women are property" or whatever moronic talking points you guys happen to regurgitate, the reason is because there are clearer gender roles and scripts for courtship and marriage. That means more shy, less outgoing guys can have access to communal structures that can help them find a partner. If anything as I said earlier most converts to Islam in the West are actually women, in some countries outnumbering male converts by 2:1. I guess in your mind they are brainwashed and like being beaten or whatever it is you imagine happens in a Muslim marriage.

There are obviously very oppressive Muslim communities around the world in regards to women's rights but there are usually hulking bureaucratic states(Iran) or in rural areas of tribal region in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. In the few places where such people from there form pockets in the West, they form very insular communities that are not welcoming to outsiders. In fact these types of communities aren't even welcome to other Muslim majority ethnic groups; Turks keep their distance from Kurds and vice versa, as do Punjabis from Bengalis. None of the retrograde types in these communities are out here trying to recruit white incels, I guarantee you that.

I don’t know if muslims “welcome” incels. I think it’s more the other way around, incels take from Islam what they think is beneficial for their believe system. And certain branches of Islam will be drawn to that.

I'm actually Muslim so unlike that guy I know what I'm talking about here and yes I can guarantee you that Muslims are not welcoming incels. There are more gangbangers converting to Islam in prison than incels by a massive margin.

I don't think a lot of people realize that Chivalry came from earlier Islamic civilization. Islamic scholars played no small role in influencing current Christian theology and philosophy. Thomas Aquinas utilized a lot of theology and philosophy from earlier Islamic scholars.

Its probably the case that those chivalric traditions evolved in tandem but yes Islam had heavy influence on medieval Christendom just as the Greco-Roman tradition had a lot of influence on Islamic thought.

 

[Zazen]

The irony of you accusing me of making assumptions and then assuming I support the Islamic Republic of Iran against its protestors is just rich when ITT I specifically condemned that regime. But in your mind "Muslims bad" so we must support the worst actions of our coreligionists.

The thing is unlike you, who is happy to run interference for oppressive communist regimes, I'm perfectly willing and able to critique oppressive Muslim societies. Again its no wonder you were the lone poster regurgitating the CCP's apologist narrative in regards to the Uyghur ethnic cleansing.

The reason that an incel might find Islam attractive isn't because "women are property" or whatever moronic talking points you guys happen to regurgitate, the reason is because there are clearer gender roles and scripts for courtship and marriage. That means more shy, less outgoing guys can have access to communal structures that can help them find a partner. If anything as I said earlier most converts to Islam in the West are actually women, in some countries outnumbering male converts by 2:1. I guess in your mind they are brainwashed an like being beaten or whatever it is you imagine happens in a Muslim marriage.

There are obviously very oppressive Muslim communities around the world in regards to women's rights but there are usually hulking bureaucratic states(Iran) or in rural areas of tribal region in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. In the few places where such people from there form pockets in the West, they form very insular communities that are not welcoming to outsiders. In fact these types of communities aren't even welcome to other Muslim majority ethnic groups; Turks keep their distance from Kurds and vice versa, as do Punjabis from Bengalis. None of the retrograde types in these communities are out here trying to recruit white incels, I guarantee you that.

I'm actually Muslim so unlike that guy I know what I'm talking about here and yes I can guarantee you that Muslims are not welcoming incels. There are more gangbangers converting to Islam in prison than incels by a massive margin.

Its probably the case that those chivalric traditions evolved in tandem but yes Islam had heavy influence on medieval Christendom just as the Greco-Roman tradition had a lot of influence on Islamic thought.

Why are you quoting and responding to yourself?

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

Incel hero, Andrew Tate, just converted to Islam. A lot of people in the Islamic community are concerned which should tell you a lot about Muslims.

Tate has some good criticism of Christianity in the first video:

 

[Zazen]

But Islam is such a broad term. Christian nationalist are more specific. It’s a false comparison. If you wanna compare it, compare it to Christianity and Just like christianity, Islam has a very diverse following. There is no need to defend anything, you can just be realistic. You have very strict muslims and you have very liberal muslims. You even have feminist muslims. There is a lot of islam I don’t agree with either, just like I have with other religions.

Christianity at least has the New Testament and has some common sense to reform itself. Islam still behaves very much like an ancient religion and many of their countries reflect that. It's not surprising that Christian nationalists and Islam both take more inspiration from the older, barbaric parts of their respective holy books. Perhaps if Islam did more to reform itself and denounce those things I'd give them a chance. Even simply making a drawing or criticism of Muhammad results in death threats.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Why are you quoting and responding to yourself?

Oh sorry, should've wrote the post at a 7th grade reading level so you could understand. See you made a claim about me, that I support mandatory hijab in Iran, and so I quoted previous post of mine ITT that where I condemned that very thing which disproves your assumption and makes you look like an idiot. And so that's why I quoted a previous post of mine, make sense or should I try again with fewer words and syllables?

 

[Zazen]

Oh sorry, should've wrote the post at a 7th grade reading level so you could understand. See you made a claim about me, that I support mandatory hijab in Iran, and so I quoted previous post of mine ITT that where I condemned that very thing which disproves your assumption and makes you look like an idiot. And so that's why I quoted a previous post of mine, make sense or should I try again with fewer words and syllables?

For a religious man you still act like a child. Looks like you haven't done much self-improvement. Allah would be disappointed in you.

 

[Islam Imamate]

For a religious man you still act like a child. Looks like you haven't done much self-improvement. Allah would be disappointed in you.

I'm gonna take the fact that you completely avoided all the points I made as evidence you have no real response other than insults. Cheers.

 

[Zazen]

I'm gonna take the fact that you completely avoided all the points I made as evidence you have no real response other than insults. Cheers.

Just copying you. You've been ignoring my points in the same way. Have fun defending a religion that treats women and minorities like dirt though.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

For a religious man you still act like a child. Looks like you haven't done much self-improvement. Allah would be disappointed in you.

The question you asked was obviously in bad faith and everyone can see it. As is your follow up here.

 

[Blayt7hh]

The problem is cultural not Islamic. There are Islamic groups that mutilate girl's genitals, but there is nothing in the Quran that justifies such a barbaric act.

Ok but what do you think that poster was really talking about, the way it should be practiced or the way it generally is practiced? Because right now it has a reputation as being a misogynistic religion because it is largely implemented that way. Im sure that incels feel that Iran is getting a lot of things right.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Just copying you. You've been ignoring my points in the same way. Have fun defending a religion that treats women and minorities like dirt though.

I did respond as others have seen, that you're unable to respond back doesn't change that. Its also rich to see you of all people complain about others defending oppression when you're a CCP drone.

Islam>CCP

I once attended a presentation by Dawud Walid, he's a pretty charismatic guy.

Personally I am a bit worried about guys like Tate and Sneako(fellow redpill streamer) converting to Islam and showing interest in the religion. Islamist mass shooters and incel mass shooters are bad enough separately, we don't want to see them joining forces. Just imagine the combined arms attack of incel shitposters and Islamist beheaders.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Ok but what do you think that poster was really talking about, the way it should be practiced or the way it generally is practiced? Because right now it has a reputation as being a misogynistic religion because it is largely implemented that way. Im sure that incels feel that Iran is getting a lot of things right.

Generally practiced where? Do you think incels are moving to Iran or rural Pakistan? They're not even moving to Muslim majority areas of Londonistan.

I thought the discourse on incels couldn't get any more misinformed and cringe but apparently there's no limit.

 

[Zazen]

The question you asked was obviously in bad faith and everyone can see it. As is your follow up here.

I criticize China all the time. Their Covid policies are a mess. You have to bring that up because you can’t defend your religion properly. Every post is blah blah but you like China. Islam is still worse even with all my issues with China. At least it was a decent place to live while I was there

 

[ferrisjso]

Islam seems to be the way to go if you hate women. I'm seeing that too lately, Islam is looked upon as a masculine religion whereas Christianity has gone soft by accepting gays and stuff. I bet he loves the countries that restrict women's rights. It's really sad that this is the man that is influencing millions of young boys.

I really don't know what you do with these people. They have a huge victim mentality and instead of self-improvement they choose to blame all women for not sleeping with them. They feel entitled to sex and it just doesn't work that way. I think for one, these people need to stop living terminally online lives. They need to go out there into the real world and start talking to people. I think traveling really helped me break out of my shell. It forces you into uncomfortable situations at times, especially if you go alone as I did while I was very young. It gives you some confidence that you can do things on your own. I don't know the solution, but I do know that sitting in front of a computer all day, every day and complaining about women is not one of them.

This is toxic masculinity at it's core. Being nice or caring about anything except your base desires is seen as something to be mocked as unmanly. Anything that hurts others is seen as tough and cool.

Your advice about talking to real women is going to get people me tood though i don't think it's helpful. Why the fuck would anyone want to voluntarily be in an "uncomftorable situation" and I think those situations would be more not less likely to drive people into spaces like the incel one? With dating apps traditional flirting on women is mostly seen as inappropriate. You really have to do it online nowadays or your a creep it was only acceptable in the past because there was an unspoken understanding it was neccessary for everyone. You want people to be in situations they feel comftorable with.

The world is mostly online and we have suburbs where there's really no commons to meet people even if it weren't taboo. Bemoaning about people sitting in front of their computer all day is correlation not being causation in this case IMO just not realistic to live the way people did in the 90s or 00s.

I do think getting laid is considerably easier than someone who will put up with your individual problems on a long term basis though. Even before the internet we had a 50% divorce rate(if divorce is 50% imagine what relationship failure rate is) this culture I think it's going to be very sad and many of us are going to die alone.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Incel hero, Andrew Tate, just converted to Islam. A lot of people in the Islamic community are concerned which should tell you a lot about Muslims.

Tate has some good criticism of Christianity in the first video:

I'm skeptical that this isn't a publicity stunt, but yeah, I don't think he'd be telling tales out of school by saying that a ton of Christians are Christian in name only.

 

[44nutman]

Tucker Carlson said you need to tan your balls and you become more masculine. These incels need more light on their scrotum.

 

[Nameless King]

Yeah but that’s part of the problem. In their worldview most of these women are not good enough. Fed by their conservative view of women, a lot of women are already sluts, whores, etc. So they also set the bar extremely high.

Porn is the main problem and portrayal of woman as a meat to serve men. With wide access and how easy it is to access extreme content, this is the real issue. And I can already see something being done about it in the future.