I'm starting to think Nate Diaz's cardio is overrated

RNC555 said:
smoking pot 24/7 fks up your lungs. inhaling smoke regardless of what type of smoke is bad for you.

pot is as dangerous as regular smokes in regards to lungs and cardiovascular system. only difference its less addictive.
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Your not allowed to say anything negative about pot, nowadays. It’s a miracle drug that fixes everything.
 
He has good cardio always has had good cardio what affected him most this last fight was ring rust. When have ya really seen a Diaz bro get tired in a fight I sure can't remember when.
 
man his cardio was great for fighting after 3 fucking years
 
He said because it was a three rounder he trained a little different and wanted to come out faster, said it threw his cardio off for the fight. Big deal.

Diaz boys will never have cardio like Colby, prime Diego/Guida/Frankie. MMA has two different speeds, balls to the wall, and steady, Diaz’s have that steady cardio like in the endurance racing they do on the side.
 
lmfao

the guy gassed going rapidly for the finish in rd 3 and still won the fight dominantly

sherdog makes thread about "is nate diaz actually any good?"
 
RNC555 said:
smoking pot 24/7 fks up your lungs. inhaling smoke regardless of what type of smoke is bad for you.

pot is as dangerous as regular smokes in regards to lungs and cardiovascular system. only difference its less addictive.
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Have you heard of vaporizers? The Diaz brothers have.
 
RNC555 said:
smoking pot 24/7 fks up your lungs. inhaling smoke regardless of what type of smoke is bad for you.

pot is as dangerous as regular smokes in regards to lungs and cardiovascular system. only difference its less addictive.
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Just as bad as normal smoking?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29075929/

“recent studies suggest that the overall survival rates in kidney, liver, lung, and heart transplant patients using marijuana are equivalent to non-users. Transplant teams should not de facto exclude marijuana users from transplant listing“.


Meanwhile when it comes tobacco

“Recipients of smokers' organs are at greater risk of death (lungs hazard ratio
, 1.36; heart HR, 1.8; and liver HR, 1.25), extended intensive care stays, and greater need for ventilation. Kidney function is significantly worse at 1 year after transplantation in recipients of grafts from smokers compared with nonsmokers. Clinicians must balance the use of such higher-risk organs with the consequences on waiting list mortality if the donor pool is reduced further by exclusion of such donors. Smoking by kidney transplant recipients significantly increases the risk of cardiovascular events (29.2% vs. 15.4%), renal fibrosis, rejection, and malignancy (HR, 2.56). Furthermore, liver recipients who smoke have higher rates of hepatic artery thrombosis, biliary complications, and malignancy (13% vs. 2%). Heart recipients with a smoking history have increased risk of developing coronary atherosclerosis (21.2% vs. 12.3%), graft dysfunction, and loss after transplantation.”

Hmm that sounds way worse, not just their lungs but all their organs seem effected....
 
ThaiSexPills said:
Have you heard of vaporizers? The Diaz brothers have.
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"Vaping" Marijuana
There is little known on the potential lung health effects of inhaling marijuana or products made from it through routes other than smoking. However:

  • Use of "vape-pens" to inhale cannabis concentrates or liquids may have similar respiratory health effects as e-cigarette use.
  • "Dabbing" (inhaling flash-vaporized cannabis concentrates) may also cause respiratory problems.
 
aus101 said:
Just as bad as normal smoking?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29075929/

“recent studies suggest that the overall survival rates in kidney, liver, lung, and heart transplant patients using marijuana are equivalent to non-users. Transplant teams should not de facto exclude marijuana users from transplant listing“.


Meanwhile when it comes tobacco

“Recipients of smokers' organs are at greater risk of death (lungs hazard ratio
, 1.36; heart HR, 1.8; and liver HR, 1.25), extended intensive care stays, and greater need for ventilation. Kidney function is significantly worse at 1 year after transplantation in recipients of grafts from smokers compared with nonsmokers. Clinicians must balance the use of such higher-risk organs with the consequences on waiting list mortality if the donor pool is reduced further by exclusion of such donors. Smoking by kidney transplant recipients significantly increases the risk of cardiovascular events (29.2% vs. 15.4%), renal fibrosis, rejection, and malignancy (HR, 2.56). Furthermore, liver recipients who smoke have higher rates of hepatic artery thrombosis, biliary complications, and malignancy (13% vs. 2%). Heart recipients with a smoking history have increased risk of developing coronary atherosclerosis (21.2% vs. 12.3%), graft dysfunction, and loss after transplantation.”

Hmm that sounds way worse, not just their lungs but all their organs seem effected....
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The American Lung Association is concerned about the health impacts of marijuana use, especially on lung health. We caution the public against smoking marijuana because of the risks it poses to the lungs.

Lung Health and Marijuana Smoke
Smoking marijuana clearly damages the human lung. Research shows that smoking marijuana causes chronic bronchitis and marijuana smoke has been shown to injure the cell linings of the large airways, which could explain why smoking marijuana leads to symptoms such as chronic cough, phlegm production, wheeze and acute bronchitis.4,9

Smoking marijuana has also been linked to cases of air pockets in between both lungs and between the lungs and the chest wall, as well as large air bubbles in the lungs among young to middle-aged adults, mostly heavy smokers of marijuana.

Smoke is harmful to lung health. Whether from burning wood, tobacco or marijuana, toxins and carcinogens are released from the combustion of materials. Smoke from marijuana combustion has been shown to contain many of the same toxins, irritants and carcinogens as tobacco smoke.4-7

Beyond just what's in the smoke alone, marijuana is typically smoked differently than tobacco. Marijuana smokers tend to inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than cigarette smokers, which leads to a greater exposure per breath to tar.8

Secondhand marijuana smoke contains many of the same toxins and carcinogens found in directly-inhaled marijuana smoke, in similar amounts if not more.5 While there is no data on the health consequences of breathing secondhand marijuana smoke, there is concern that it could cause harmful health effects, especially among vulnerable children in the home. Additional research on the health effects of secondhand marijuana smoke is needed.
 
The Witcher said:
Agreed. Nates cardio is a myth he has gassed twice now in his last two fights
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I disagree. Just because he was tired it does not mean that he was gassed. Plus all you need is to have your opponent more tired than you. Pettis was gassed.

What I found more concerning is that Nate looked like absolute dogshit in his last Pettis fight.
 
Bunch of doctor's in this thread. Stfu you don't know shit about pot or it's effects.
 
New Diaz-hating sherdog myth. Is normal.

Nate said he got tired but he said he didn't get to finish Pettis because he rushed his advances. He also said that some times, in a 3 rounders, you think you still have time and before you know it, it's over.

This is sherdog though so fiction will, once again, replace reality to hate on everything that triggers you.
 
Anyone that allows Conor to go 5 rounds cant have that good of cardio to begin with. Nate has great durability but his cardio is not in the same league as the guys TS mentions.
 
RNC555 said:
smoking pot 24/7 fks up your lungs. inhaling smoke regardless of what type of smoke is bad for you.

pot is as dangerous as regular smokes in regards to lungs and cardiovascular system. only difference its less addictive.
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Well that's a lie.
 
Some guys now are in another level, Colby, Ferg, Usman ect... They are all on EPO though and Nate maybe isn't so that's probably why. It doesn't add up that Usman is that jacked but has better cardio than a guy who runs marathons...
 
I thought Nate looked sluggish and his boxing was poor. I put that down to a 3 year absence.

Then I come on to Sherdog after the PPV and apparently it's the best Nate has ever looked.

{<huh}
 
RNC555 said:
smoking pot 24/7 fks up your lungs. inhaling smoke regardless of what type of smoke is bad for you.

pot is as dangerous as regular smokes in regards to lungs and cardiovascular system. only difference its less addictive.
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no it isnt, thats by far NOT the only difference
RNC555 said:
The American Lung Association is concerned about the health impacts of marijuana use, especially on lung health. We caution the public against smoking marijuana because of the risks it poses to the lungs.

Lung Health and Marijuana Smoke
Smoking marijuana clearly damages the human lung. Research shows that smoking marijuana causes chronic bronchitis and marijuana smoke has been shown to injure the cell linings of the large airways, which could explain why smoking marijuana leads to symptoms such as chronic cough, phlegm production, wheeze and acute bronchitis.4,9

Smoking marijuana has also been linked to cases of air pockets in between both lungs and between the lungs and the chest wall, as well as large air bubbles in the lungs among young to middle-aged adults, mostly heavy smokers of marijuana.

Smoke is harmful to lung health. Whether from burning wood, tobacco or marijuana, toxins and carcinogens are released from the combustion of materials. Smoke from marijuana combustion has been shown to contain many of the same toxins, irritants and carcinogens as tobacco smoke.4-7

Beyond just what's in the smoke alone, marijuana is typically smoked differently than tobacco. Marijuana smokers tend to inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than cigarette smokers, which leads to a greater exposure per breath to tar.8

Secondhand marijuana smoke contains many of the same toxins and carcinogens found in directly-inhaled marijuana smoke, in similar amounts if not more.5 While there is no data on the health consequences of breathing secondhand marijuana smoke, there is concern that it could cause harmful health effects, especially among vulnerable children in the home. Additional research on the health effects of secondhand marijuana smoke is needed.
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as someone who has smoked both for a long period of time.....when I stopped smoking cigarettes i immediately lost the chronic cough, phlegm production and ive never had chronic bronchitis despite smoking both tobacco and weed for 25+years

of course any inhalation of a incinerated substance is going to be harmful to your lungs ...... theres no way around that .....

BUT

the number 1 key to health is stress mitigation...hands down....any doctor worth a dollar will tell you that stress is the number 1 killer, weed helps you to maintain peace and serenity and dare I say...even enhances it

marijuana is not yet into the later stages of mass production that tobacco has undergone where it is bombarded with a ridiculous amount of useless and unneeded, artifical and harmful chemical additives which are severely detrimental to one's health

if you have good clean fuel for your body((food and drink)) and your body isnt forced into battle against the bombardment of unnecessary things found in most supermarket sustenance, then the little bit of damage from the act of smoking ((weed)) is something your body will easily deal with
 
Using the word OVERRATED IS OVERRATED. He was in a FIGHT. He is supposed to be breathing hard & tired at the end
 
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