Rumored Ilia Topuria vs Paddy Pimblett

[whocares]

well that was productive

 

[Ibm]

Paddy will bully him and the UFC will make a shit ton of money off this kid especially in the UK, probably Canada too.

 

[JKS]

How many KO losses did Max Holloway have before fighting Illia?

It's irrelevant to the point being made. The post was using statistics and striking defense to show how Paddy and Arman handle power punchers and based on that it's a disaster waiting to happen. I simply showed that they've faced many power punchers and only Arman has been KO'd early in his career, so one KO loss in 51 fights between them.

You said how many times was Max KO'd vs Ilia?? Well, of course a KO loss is possible for both Ilia and Arman, I mean it is Ilia. But the same time, if their striking defense is "that bad" but yet somehow they dont' get KO'd in 51 fights......I could say .....well, how many times have both guys fought power punchers and not got KOd even though stats are against them as having good defense.

Overall these guys may not have the best defense, but the thing about the way they fight is they don't put themselves in danger too much and exchage in dangerous scenarios, that's why they dont have KO losses. They are first and foremost grapplers and rely on that. And why I don't think they will get KO'd vs Ilia, they just wont really give him a chance. If both guys stood and fought stand up, they wouldn't last a round. But they're not gonna play with fire and just initate grappling.

 

[JKS]

There might be a grappling advantage, there might be not.
But it's not a big one.
Also Gaethje isn't a great mma wrestler.





True, but Emmet took everything except the kitchen sink and presented knockout danger.
Which Paddy and Arman do not. Grappling threat though.
Josh took everything in the UFC except a lil heathen ellbow.
Despite being way past his prime at 40, Emmet actually has a way higher defense rating than the other 3.
Fighting at a high level for like 10 years.


Ah let's see what happens
Will be fun most likely.

I am talking about about Paddy and Arman, those guys will have the grappling edge. Arman with his skill level and Paddy with his size an style. Gatehje will only strike.

 

[Rubios]

I don't see a problem... in the sense that there have been more undeserving title shots in UFC.

Tell me one, for a 1st defense. Honest question.
Paddy is #6
Pereira vs Khalil (7th or 8th at the time, can't remember) was -rightfully- seen as a travesty being his 3rd defense.

 

[The XL]

Ilia cleaves through Paddy with no issues.

 

[Portland8242]

 

[Portland8242]

It's irrelevant to the point being made. The post was using statistics and striking defense to show how Paddy and Arman handle power punchers and based on that it's a disaster waiting to happen. I simply showed that they've faced many power punchers and only Arman has been KO'd early in his career, so one KO loss in 51 fights between them.

You said how many times was Max KO'd vs Ilia?? Well, of course a KO loss is possible for both Ilia and Arman, I mean it is Ilia. But the same time, if their striking defense is "that bad" but yet somehow they dont' get KO'd in 51 fights......I could say .....well, how many times have both guys fought power punchers and not got KOd even though stats are against them as having good defense.

Overall these guys may not have the best defense, but the thing about the way they fight is they don't put themselves in danger too much and exchage in dangerous scenarios, that's why they dont have KO losses. They are first and foremost grapplers and rely on that. And why I don't think they will get KO'd vs Ilia, they just wont really give him a chance. If both guys stood and fought stand up, they wouldn't last a round. But they're not gonna play with fire and just initate grappling.

Lol you fight the quality of competition Paddy's fought and you gotta be pretty shit to get KO'd. You're missing the forest for the trees here.

 

[Lawrence]

It makes business sense to send Paddy while he’s still hot / before he loses. Paddy is the money fight.

Everyone knows that Arman is the most legitimate / competitive / interesting fight to make.

UFC don’t want to lose their Spanish Conor to another eastern euro guy. (Yes I’m aware top is Georgian, but u get what I mean).

My brain says you’re right.

But Paddy continues pull the upset and look better every time he does it.

 

[Lawrence]

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[JKS]

Lol you fight the quality of competition Paddy's fought and you gotta be pretty shit to get KO'd. You're missing the forest for the trees here.

Listen man, I by no means think the level of competition Paddy has fought is on the level of Ilia. And Ilia certainly possesses a considerably better skill set than anyone Paddy has faced striking wise. So of course I see all that. I see your perspective that if he gets hit at a higher percentage vs that opposition, well then an elite boxer like Ilia will surely put his lights.

And that is where I disagree. And not because Ilia is not capable, if Paddy just stands and strikes he will get KOd. It's that I think Paddy will likely fight with a gameplan to avoid any power shots and dangerous exchanges. It's much harder to KO an opponent that's not willing to stand and is just staying on the outside and looking to initiate grappling. If you watch Paddys careers his opposition does get better and better, and he himself improves and learns to apply his style of fight. And that's why you see him fight Chandler, his highest level opponent and he clearly won that and took almost no damage. I mean Chandler landed 11 sig strikes that fight. And now we're gonna get an even better peak version of Paddy.

I just don't think Paddy will give Ilia those openings and be very aware of his power shots. Stay on the outside, use lots of kicks and time clinches and TDs.

 

[wrb]

Ilia cleaves through Paddy with no issues.

On board with this once he does it. If he runs through a YOUNG "hungry" guy like nothing you will not hear a word from me but respect. But he needs to do it or at least try because its the fight game and these other guys were never blessed with automatic title shots after jumping weight classes.

 

[Portland8242]

Listen man, I by no means think the level of competition Paddy has fought is on the level of Ilia. And Ilia certainly possesses a considerably better skill set than anyone Paddy has faced striking wise. So of course I see all that. I see your perspective that if he gets hit at a higher percentage vs that opposition, well then an elite boxer like Ilia will surely put his lights.

And that is where I disagree. And not because Ilia is not capable, if Paddy just stands and strikes he will get KOd. It's that I think Paddy will likely fight with a gameplan to avoid any power shots and dangerous exchanges. It's much harder to KO an opponent that's not willing to stand and is just staying on the outside and looking to initiate grappling. If you watch Paddys careers his opposition does get better and better, and he himself improves and learns to apply his style of fight. And that's why you see him fight Chandler, his highest level opponent and he clearly won that and took almost no damage. I mean Chandler landed 11 sig strikes that fight. And now we're gonna get an even better peak version of Paddy.

I just don't think Paddy will give Ilia those openings and be very aware of his power shots. Stay on the outside, use lots of kicks and time clinches and TDs.

You're still not seeing the forest for the trees.
Your claims about Paddy allegedly improving exponentially needs to be proved by actually taking on top competition and not a manufactured old man tour in Chandler, Ferguson and Bobby Green. But it seems him and his camp are trying to bypass this and just go to a title shot directly, until recently when Paddy kind walked it back a bit by admitting he needs to work on striking a lot before signing to fight Topuria (so it seems even his camp is skeptical!). What they should do is take on a Dan Hooker or Justin Gaethje (wanted to suggest Holloway but he'd absolutely style on Paddy) first because the skills/experience you'll get dealing with that problem will be invaluable for a future fight vs Topuria, sitting out and bypassing the queue is the much less productive option, we've seen this lesson before. See the ultimate thing is if you lose that matchup then you were never going to beat Toupria anyway.

 

[prime_lobov]

Rich Boy seems shook. He knows he’s next after Paddy takes out Hand Sanitizer Boy.

 

[USA!USA!]

Someone explain to me why tf Gaethje would turn down the biggest fight of his life

Arman seems like an idiot

 

[FrappeDuRocma]

It's sad, even Justin would have been better than this clown.

 

[Kratos94]

Topuria knocks him out pretty easily.

I like Topuria, but damn. I wish he'd just fight. I really don't care for this 170 business. Even Gaethje would be something.

 

[JKS]

You're still not seeing the forest for the trees.
Your claims about Paddy allegedly improving exponentially needs to be proved by actually taking on top competition and not a manufactured old man tour in Chandler, Ferguson and Bobby Green. But it seems him and his camp are trying to bypass this and just go to a title shot directly, until recently when Paddy kind walked it back a bit by admitting he needs to work on striking a lot before signing to fight Topuria (so it seems even his camp is skeptical!). What they should do is take on a Dan Hooker or Justin Gaethje (wanted to suggest Holloway but he'd absolutely style on Paddy) first because the skills/experience you'll get dealing with that problem will be invaluable for a future fight vs Topuria, sitting out and bypassing the queue is the much less productive option, we've seen this lesson before. See the ultimate thing is if you lose that matchup then you were never going to beat Toupria anyway.

Enoguh with this BS metaphor lol, I see it, I just don't agree with it. I just don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Paddy get's KO'd here based off some stats.

I guess that step up could be Ilia....or his next fight, we'll see. But I am just going by a pattern here and him getting better and better fight by fight, and that is more about him being be able to define his style and gameplan and be effective with it, while not getting KO'd or hurt.

I think at this point Paddy is good enough to fight a fight....."not to get KO'd" and apply his style and gameplan in that respect. Now, I am not saying he will win cause Ilia could defend his TDs and clinches and just win on points by landing the better strikes. But I think he is good enough to avoid the power shots and exchanges and make get to a decision. Or get the fight where he wants it and control Topuira.

I honestly think I like Paddy in this fight to win with his size and grappling. I think he can avoid the exchnages and focus on clinches and top position and then either TKO or Submiit Topuira. But I am very much hoping for Topuria to get it done and win.

 

[Aurelian]

And yet in 51 pro fights, they have 1 KO loss between them.

I'll give you and hint here, big grappling advantage.

Ilia has a 93% TDD stat and his opponents have went a combined 1-16 on TD attempts against him.

If there's some big grappling hole in his game we haven't seen it. Arman isn't some grappling wizard anyway.

 

[Harlekin]

Ilia has a 93% TDD stat and his opponents have went a combined 1-16 on TD attempts against him.

If there's some big grappling hole in his game we haven't seen it. Arman isn't some grappling wizard anyway.

Let's combine this with Paddys great TD Acc of 28% and an average Takedown of 0,96 per fight
I see Arman having more success.

Although Paddys defensive style walking backwards poses a problem, combined with his height and size.
It will all end at the fence.