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If we added up the scores by round, Sandhagen would have won the fight.

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by det_regnar_på_vår_kärlek, Jul 25, 2021.

  1. det_regnar_på_vår_kärlek Brown Belt

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    The judges who gave the fight to Dillashaw didn't agree on the rounds Dillashaw won:



    (Btw, I was hoping TJ would win because I believed that would make things more interesting in the division.)
    I'm not saying this fight was a robbery, but to me it was a Sandhagen win. But as as soon as the fight finished, I knew it could go either way.

    The easiest way to improve judging in MMA is to add up points by round instead of letting each judge have a winner and then checking the fighter who won more scorecards as a whole.
     
  2. Rajon Rondo Can you even see my profile picture? Banned

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    Sandhagen won the 5th round. TJ being aggressive doesn't mean much if he was getting outstruck
     
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  3. HeffDoesWant Brown Belt

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    The judges agreed on 3 rounds, 2 of them went to TJ.
     
  4. Croton Purple Belt

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    They agreed TJ won round 1
    They agreed Corey won round 2
    They agreed TJ won round 3
    They didn't agree Corey round 4
    They didn't agree Corey won rd 5.

    Your solutions removes the risk that a close round carries, which is what makes it not as valuable as a dominant round.
     
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  5. TheLegendary27 White Belt

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    Sandhagen didn't do a lot on the feet either though. I could've gone both ways but in my opinion the clinch control gave it to TJ.
     
  6. det_regnar_på_vår_kärlek Brown Belt

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    I think I didn't phrase my solution clearly. Each round would be judged collectively. So rounds 4 and 5 would be a 10-9 for Cory.
     
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  7. 13Seconds Gold Belt

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    Nah i thought TJ won. Close fight though but if we're gonna score it round by round, TJ clearly won imo
     
  8. r-harper-1 Gold Belt

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    Clinch control doesn’t mean shit ....close fight but Sandhagen did most of the damage imo
     
  9. det_regnar_på_vår_kärlek Brown Belt

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    In the system I propose the fighter would take the full round even if one judge disagreed. Suppose the round was scored 10-9, 10-9 and 9-10. The round would be considered a 10-9 for the fighter who obtained the majority.
     
  10. HatKick Brown Belt

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    I'm glad TJ won but you might be on to something TS.
    Too many close fights are determined by one judge going "That was a close round, I'll just randomly give it to fighter x". Collectively deciding each round reduces the chance of sloppy judging being the deciding factor.
     
  11. HeffDoesWant Brown Belt

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    I know.
    In short, your system assigns the same weight to a conclusive round and a split round. I don't love it.
     
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  12. Diamond Dallas Poirier Orange Belt

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    If in your eyes it was a Sandhagen win, and thus that the judges should have scored it for Sandhagen, could you not argue that they robbed him of the victory that he should have been awarded?

    It clearly was a Sandhagen win. He won the first round if you score it properly by favoring strikes landed and sub attempts over control. Round 2 was the only dominant round of the fight, in Cory's favor. Rounds 3-5 were all closer but the most obvious of the rounds was the 4th, also going to Cory.

    Best case scenario for TJ is he only lost 48-46. Worst case is he lost 50-44.
     
  13. det_regnar_på_vår_kärlek Brown Belt

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    Close rounds are essentially a toss up nowadays. I think if each round was decided by a majority we would have results that reflect reality more accurately.
     
  14. TheLegendary27 White Belt

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    Then we've a different way of judging a fight, I judge it by damage and control. Yes Sandhagen did more damage but a lot of it was exaggerated by the blood. TJ had far more octagon control and clinch/ground control.
     
  15. Krixes The Undefeated Gaul Platinum Member

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    Cory for sure didn't lose that 5th round. You want argue a different round cool but not the 5th. That's embarrassing by the judges...
     
  16. milenss Red Belt

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    It's not a computer system. Judges decide on whoever did better overall.
    TJ won. I had no problems with that decision.
     
  17. Voodoo Dahl Purple Belt

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    Cory deserves the loss based solely on doing so much spinning crap.

    Or did I miss the memo and it was a 5th graders taekwondo tourney?
     
  18. 209NickDiaz Gold Belt

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    Rewatch the fight son, TJ apart from the scar and jabs (which meant shit) no really damage was done
     
  19. chiefwiggum Silver Belt

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    That happens all the time. I’m very close rounds it could have gone either way. I thought dilly won 1 3 and 4. I can see how many rounds could have been flipped for either guy.
     
  20. Tweak896 Black Belt

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    It was the right call for judges. Rounds 1-3 were all clear 2-1 TJ, the last two I've seen debate even here. Judges made some wack calls that night, but they got this right. Rounds 4 and 5 were not a dominant performance or clear, very even. For me, when rounds are even then I give to the aggressor or whoever is controlling fight.
     
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