If universe started from big bang, then what was before big bang?

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

And that's fine. I go with what the Bible says about creation.

And that's fine, but then is there really any point to you participating in a discussion of the dominant scientific concept of the origin of the Universe?

 

[InvestigatorIL]

It's always great listening to the religious attempt to discredit the big bang by saying, well since we don't know what happened before it I guess it can't be true.

You didn't know how a person was killed until you saw the stab wounds, found the weapon and conducted the DNA test. Even then you don't have 100% definitive proof do ya? No, but you can say with 99.99% certainty it was that guy, with that weapon. Look at it like that and leave the magic out of it

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

LOL
You're SO bad at argumentation.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Why is "we don't know" so hard to accept for some people?

I think it threatens the hard-liners on both sides.

For the theist, "I don't know" leaves the door ajar for the possibility that there is no God.

For the atheist, "I don't know" leaves the door ajar for the possibility that some sort of God may exist.

Both have an anxious, emotional compulsion to slam that door hard.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Within the mainstream scientific community there are theories contrary to the BBT itself. (One is that a sort of infinite time exists in this universe and in a plethora of multi-verses.)

I inferred from your post that you believe the BBT is as certain as gravity, the only scientific difficulty being how to comprehensively explain the "nothingness" that existed before it.

I accept it as the best explanation.
This thread badly needs to understand the difference between belief in an idea and accepting it as likely.

In science, there is no proof of a concept. A theory like gravity can only be supported by data to such an extent that withholding provisional acceptance is absurd.

 

[InvestigatorIL]

I think it threatens the hard-liners on both sides.

For the theist, "I don't know" leaves the door ajar for the possibility that there is no God.

For the atheist, "I don't know" leaves the door ajar for the possibility that some sort of God may exist.

Both have an anxious, emotional compulsion to slam that door hard.

Uhhh. No. It means we don't know yet. Why is that so hard to understand? How many O2 molecules are in the air around you? You don't know and you accept that answer don't you?

 

[Jesus Freak]

Except we wont

Seeing as how you appear to be a self-professed purveyor of absolute truth, should we seek/follow you for guidance?

 

[IDL]

There was a lot of shit talking before the big bang

 

[Skip Reming]

Jessie Volt was there

she is very sexy when she is speaking french while getting rammed.

There is an answer: there was nothing before the Big Bang.
It's like asking what did rock music sound like before there was rock music.

So you contend that there was nothing before the big bang? That "nothing" caused it? This is contradictory to all science.

 

[dontsnitch]

There was a lot of shit talking before the big bang

I think you mean a lot of talk about nothing.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Uhhh. No. It means we don't know yet. Why is that so hard to understand? How many O2 molecules are in the air around you? You don't know and you accept that answer don't you?

It seems self-evident that my reply does not relate to those on either side who have the rationality and emotional maturity to say, "I don't know," (or, at least, "I don't yet know,") when confronted with questions pertaining to ultimate origins.

 

[dontsnitch]

So you contend that there was nothing before the big bang? That "nothing" caused it? This is contradictory to all science.

I accept that for all intents, there was nothing. Which is what Hawking has always said (until recently). Which he meant was that since we can't know, we treat the singularity as t=0.

That doesn't mean there was actually a lack of something.

 

[ultramanhyata]

In science, there is no proof of a concept. A theory like gravity can only be supported by data to such an extent that withholding provisional acceptance is absurd.

So, are you in fact saying that the BBT rises to that level of data support? Is any doubt concerning it "absurd" in your estimation?

 

[JDragon]

As @Overpressure and @Sakurabinette , among others, habe already argued, you should not really come into this thread until you have grasped the - admittedly mindblowing - concept of space time.

 

[Jesus Freak]

LOL
You're SO bad at argumentation.

Why...because my rebuttal comes attached to a goofy meme?

The question remains...how many books have you proven to be true/untrue?

Funny how you clowns all claim to have the answers, while we Christians seem to know He who holds the answers.

 

[InvestigatorIL]

It seems self-evident that my reply does not relate to those on either side who have the rationality and emotional maturity to say, "I don't know," (or, at least, "I don't yet know,") when confronted with questions pertaining to ultimate origins.

Ok you said the hard liners and since 99% of atheists are hard liners. Atheists are generally not open to the possibility of a god

 

[ripskater]

So is there any sort of evidence or consensus that will change your mind on how the universe was created?

I believe that everything was created as told in Genesis. Personally there is no doubt in my mind. And I don't think anything will be proven true until we die. We will have this debate as long as we're alive in my opinion.

 

[ripskater]

And that's fine, but then is there really any point to you participating in a discussion of the dominant scientific concept of the origin of the Universe?

Yes, because we're all here to give our 2 cents.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I accept it as the best explanation.
This thread badly needs to understand the difference between belief in an idea and accepting it as likely.

In science, there is no proof of a concept. A theory like gravity can only be supported by data to such an extent that withholding provisional acceptance is absurd.

I don't think there's anyone (maybe 1 or 2) on this forum that is learned enough in Physics and Mathematics that can actually evaluate the data. We are all trusting the expertise of the scientific community. Anyone who doesn't at least provisionally accept the dominant theory is doing so for philosophical reasons.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I believe that everything was created as told in Genesis. Personally there is no doubt in my mind. And I don't think anything will be proven true until we die. We will have this debate as long as we're alive in my opinion.

What evidence, consensus or information would cause doubt?