If the UFC doesn’t nail 317, are you disappointed with the 1st half of 2025?

NGL, I am a fan, but it has felt lackluster so far this year
 
Darkavius said:
To be fair they still strong arm people every blue moon. I mean look at Aljamain Sterling. Wasn't there rumors of him being forced into the O'Malley fight when he wasn't ready? To your point though fighters do sit out for too long. Valentina Shevchenko is a decent example. She fought in September and it takes all the way until May to get another title fight going when Manon has been the #1 contender for over a year now?
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To be fair, I'm not complaining about guys they have control of. Seems like UFC can get someone like Aljo or that tier of popularity to do what they want. Those I would consider to be B tier and below fighters. I think the A tier are really a problem. Guys like Jones or anyone who takes the main slot every time with a huge following. It's becoming similar to boxing where the top fighters are going to grind negotiations to a halt until the promotion loses money on the event.

I honestly have no idea why the UFC is trying to keep Valentina up so bad, seems like they have definitely made some weird choices in wmma lately with who is defending the belt and how long people wait for another championship fight. Valentina has looked like shit, and especially Manon should be a huge favorite.

don't ask said:
I don't see how you can call fighters "greedy" when they collect such a small portion of the profits, bonuses are worth less than ever before, and Dana White himself has defended their low pay by saying the UFC isn't supposed to be a career. That's ridiculous.

The UFC can still strong-arm fighters, as illustrated perfectly by Aljo/O'Malley. What I'm saying is you're blaming the fighters for immediate rematches when immediate rematches are what the UFC introduced as the status quo and have made no effort to change.
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I'm just saying everyone is afraid to take UFC's side and call fighter's greedy. I'm only talking about the guys who keep stalling negotiations and keep the division waiting like Jones is now. A guy like Moreno who just fought? Fuck no, dude fights his heart out every time and doesn't get enough.

I've been watching mma for awhile and these issues really came up after Conor came and made tons of money basically bossing the UFC around. One of my most controversial takes, but is slowly becoming irrelevant, is that UFC's interest typically align with the fans more than the fighters. UFC would of had GSP/Silva, Brock/Fedor, Khabib/GSP, Jones/Ngannou all in the same year for 100$ each if they could. Where fighters would love to have the easiest fights in the world 1x a year for millions of dollars. So I think sometimes people lose track of what side they are really on as mma fans. However, I would say lately the fans matter less to UFC lately, so they really only want to squeeze ESPN for money, so my point is losing merit.
 
don't ask said:
I don't see how you can call fighters "greedy" when they collect such a small portion of the profits, bonuses are worth less than ever before, and Dana White himself has defended their low pay by saying the UFC isn't supposed to be a career. That's ridiculous.

The UFC can still strong-arm fighters, as illustrated perfectly by Aljo/O'Malley. What I'm saying is you're blaming the fighters for immediate rematches when immediate rematches are what the UFC introduced as the status quo and have made no effort to change.
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Your point is valid but I do think fighters can be "greedy". This doesn't apply to all of them but I think of example of "greedy" is the Jones/Aspinall situation, but even look at something like the Lightweight and Welterweight divisions. For awhile the Lightweight division was just some of the same top 5 or 6 guys fighting each other over and over again.

Then there are guys like Usman. As good as Prates vs. Garry looks on paper Usman needs to stop sitting out and actually fight. He has not won a fight in over 3 years and the division is backing up since he is taking a spot that could belong to someone else (i.e. Buckley).
 
Tweak896 said:
I'm just saying everyone is afraid to take UFC's side and call fighter's greedy. I'm only talking about the guys who keep stalling negotiations and keep the division waiting like Jones is now.
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If this is truly what you're saying, then stop saying fighters are greedy and, instead, take the time to name the handful of fighters this applies to. The reason everyone is "afraid" to call fighters greedy is because it's not true, it harms the fighters, and propagates Dana's idiotic talking points.
 
Darkavius said:
Your point is valid but I do think fighters can be "greedy". This doesn't apply to all of them but I think of example of "greedy" is the Jones/Aspinall situation, but even look at something like the Lightweight and Welterweight divisions. For awhile the Lightweight division was just some of the same top 5 or 6 guys fighting each other over and over again.
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Then name the handful of fighters that are being greedy instead of saying all fighters are greedy, which only harms the fighters.
Darkavius said:
Then there are guys like Usman. As good as Prates vs. Garry looks on paper Usman needs to stop sitting out and actually fight. He has not won a fight in over 3 years and the division is backing up since he is taking a spot that could belong to someone else (i.e. Buckley).
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The UFC created a situation where this kind of bullshit takes place because rankings matter less than ever and they're making no effort to change that. Blame them, not the fighters.
 
Saving big fights for Netflix. When WWE debuted they had a big debut with their most popular stars.

We would be foolish to think TKO doesn’t already have a verbal deal in place for UFC, with several big fights (Tom vs Jones, DDP vs Shavkat) being saved for Netflix.
 
If International Fight Week isn't Jones vs Aspinall or DDP vs Khamzat...Then Yes
 
don't ask said:
If this is truly what you're saying, then stop saying fighters are greedy and, instead, take the time to name the handful of fighters this applies to. The reason everyone is "afraid" to call fighters greedy is because it's not true, it harms the fighters, and propagates Dana's idiotic talking points.
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Okay, please kindly don't get offended sir. There are greedy fighters, and most of them are the guys who sit out and fight only 1-2x a year, mostly guys fans get annoyed with and Jones represents that now. It's okay to not be fully supportive and see that there isn't just pure good and pure evil in the world. Negotiations are just UFC and fighters trying to maximize how much money they get and meeting in the middle. I'm just open to it occasionally being the fighters being more greedy sometimes.
 
Tweak896 said:
Okay, please kindly don't get offended sir. There are greedy fighters, and most of them are the guys who sit out and fight only 1-2x a year, mostly guys fans get annoyed with and Jones represents that now. It's okay to not be fully supportive and see that there isn't just pure good and pure evil in the world. Negotiations are just UFC and fighters trying to maximize how much money they get and meeting in the middle. I'm just open to it occasionally being the fighters being more greedy sometimes.
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Pointing out where you're wrong is not being offended. It sounds like you're intentionally propagating Dana White's talking points to underpay the fighters, so I'm not sure what more there is to discuss.
 
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It's been in line with my expectations thus far this year. I intend to be there for IFW but am tempering my expectations also for that. It's supposed to be great but we've seen things just not come to be great for IFW recent years.
 
don't ask said:
Pointing out where you're wrong is not being offended. It sounds like you're intentionally propagating Dana White's talking points to underpay the fighters, so I'm not sure what more there is to discuss.
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Fuck WME for giving us watered down cards to intentionally pay fighters bare minimum to get maximum from ESPN. Fuck fighters that fight once or twice a year because they are held up in negotiations. Fuck UFC for their cheap entry contracts as a premier sports league. I just have a wide range of views that isn't Dana White or fighters are always right side of people.
 
Tweak896 said:
Fuck WME for giving us watered down cards to intentionally pay fighters bare minimum to get maximum from ESPN. Fuck fighters that fight once or twice a year because they are held up in negotiations. Fuck UFC for their cheap entry contracts as a premier sports league. I just have a wide range of views that isn't Dana White or fighters are always right side of people.
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You have a wide range of views that all culminate in you smearing all fighters as "greedy" instead of the handful that actually fit that description.
 
don't ask said:
You have a wide range of views that all culminate in you smearing all fighters as "greedy" instead of the handful that actually fit that description.
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You are just mad I said fighters can be greedy, you want me to be the one who says they all are. No, but guys like Colby and Jones and others are screwing up my enjoyment of mma enough to speak up.
 
Tweak896 said:
You are just mad I said fighters can be greedy, you want me to be the one who says they all are. No, but guys like Colby and Jones and others are screwing up my enjoyment of mma enough to speak up.
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I can't imagine a way I could be calmer as I criticize you for smearing all fighters instead of the handful that fit that description.
 
don't ask said:
I can't imagine a way I could be calmer as I criticize you for smearing all fighters instead of the handful that fit that description.
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I don't know what you want me to give a list of fighters I think are greedy? I'm not going to defend myself from a position I never took. I've provided specific cases where I have issues with fighters being greedy and that doesn't make me Dana White or one of his dick riders.

Fun thing is half the fights in the UFC, or maybe more on Apex cards are unknown nobodies so neither you or me really have opinions on any of them. You can knock half the roster atleast off the greedy list because so many are debuts or unknowns.
 
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