If NFL is A level athleticism

[Khaiser]

Your drawing conclusions and inferring things I never said.

My poisition is- superior athlete w skill > inferior athlete w skill

In the US, better athletes go where the pay is.

Better athletes go where the pay is everywhere in the world. The highest paying sports in the world tend to be real football and boxing.

 

[ermac88]

Better athletes go where the pay is everywhere in the world. The highest paying sports in the world tend to be real football and boxing.

okay youre starting to get it now, great!

In the US its the NFL, NBA, MLB

 

[Khaiser]

I dont live in the US.
Absolutely; you dont understand ratios nor basic athleticism

Now you are desperately clinging to a notion of per capita which, is sublimely obtuse within the context of total "talent pool".

As I said, I cant articulate it in a way easier for you to comprehend

So take it from a UFC CHAMPION and future HOF

The retard arises with the same video, yawn.

Keep believing that population size has no impact on the medal table, son.

 

[ermac88]

Ah this makes sense, you think the world in Video game terms. Where every ability is measurable. And everything is categorized and you can easily compare them one against another. Athlete one has some skill vs athlete 2 who has the exact same skill but he is 10 % more athletic. Athlete 2 wins every time!

Nope not at all.
But generally a better athlete (faster, stronger, more co-ordinated, more agile) with skill will beat an inferior athlete with the same skill

Why we now have more accomplished collegiate athletes in the UFC as opposed to a decade ago where we had math teachers and bus drivers as champions

 

[Khaiser]

okay youre starting to get it now, great!

In the US its the NFL, NBA, MLB

No it’s not. It’s real football, and boxing. If you’re good enough to make it to the top of either of those sports, you’re very likely to out-earn anyone in US sports.

 

[ermac88]

The retard arises with the same video, yawn.

Keep believing that population size has no impact on the medal table, son.

The topic isnt medals its talent pool, which yout not getting

I relayed the video because your not grasping that concept.
This is why I encourage you to listen to an actual fighter and UFC champion-

 

[ermac88]

No it’s not. It’s real football, and boxing. If you’re good enough to make it to the top of either of those sports, you’re very likely to out-earn anyone in US sports.

Thats great!
But in the US, thats where athletes go

4/6 UFC champions are from the US

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

Its really simple
better athlete with skill > inferior athlete with skill

In the US, good athletes will go into higher paying sports.

Would LeBron be a great fighter? Who knows; but if he focused on fighting instead of Basketball in his youth, there is a higher probability he would better than an inferior athletes.

This is why in MMA we have more collgiate athletes today than we did a decade ago when we had math teachers and bus drivers as champions

Fair points till the end.

A decade ago the champs were, off the top of my head, Cain, Machida, Anderson, GSP, Penn, and Aldo. There were just as many collegiate athletes in MMA then as there are now, primarily from wrestling but also football and basketball just like today. Are you saying that every one of those champs were not A level athletes? If so, why?

The fact that Rich Franklin was as successful as he was in MMA while being an ex-math teacher does not speak volumes about the lack of athleticism in MMA back in the day; it speaks to the tremendous natural talent he had for fighting. For the record, it's always been that way when it comes to fighting, especially at the heavier weights. Ron Lyle took up boxing in prison when he was 25 and went on to tremendous success in the golden age of boxing. Shavers took it up in his early 20's, Foreman when he was 18 at a work camp, hell, even Deontay didn't get involved in boxing till he was 19. Outside athletic accomplishments are nice, but there are people who are just born to do a certain sport. From Larry Bird to Gretzky to Brady, you have guys who just "got it" at their chosen sport, but probably wouldn't have been able to transfer it to others. That's how I see the fight game. There are some guys who just have a ridiculous knack for fighting and have all the intangibles that can't be accounted for in a quantifiable athletic performance test.

Again, I do agree with you that elite athetes in sports like basketball and football, if they took up MMA instead when they were younger, would have a definite leg up on your average Joe, I'm just saying in the end I don't think the game would look much different than it does right now, which is pretty much how it's looked since the dawn of the new millenium.

 

[Khaiser]

First place... oh wait, by your awesome logic Grenada and the Bahamas destroyed everyone in the last summer olympics.

By any logic the country that produces the most Olympic golds per capita is the most efficient at producing Olympic golds, you utter spastic <45>

 

[Khaiser]

Thats great!
But in the US, thats where athletes go

4/6 UFC champions are from the US

Great. Now we’ve finally established they don’t go where the money goes.

Ready for lesson 1.1 son? Why do you think they stay in insular, domestically focused sports?

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

The topic isnt medals its talent pool, which yout not getting

I relayed the video because your not grasping that concept.
This is why I encourage you to listen to an actual fighter and UFC champion-

Forrest has always said this type of stuff, but I don't hear anyone else jumping on that train.

For the record, did you actually see those Detroit Pistons doing pad work? They were punching like uncoordinated girls! Maybe that could be worked out with A LOT of training, but that's a whole lotta gangly to overcome!

 

[ermac88]

Fair points till the end.

A decade ago the champs were, off the top of my head, Cain, Machida, Anderson, GSP, Penn, and Aldo. There were just as many collegiate athletes in MMA then as there are now, primarily from wrestling but also football and basketball just like today. Are you saying that every one of those champs were not A level athletes? If so, why?

The fact that Rich Franklin was as successful as he was in MMA while being an ex-math teacher does not speak volumes about the lack of athleticism in MMA back in the day; it speaks to the tremendous natural talent he had for fighting. For the record, it's always been that way when it comes to fighting, especially at the heavier weights. Ron Lyle took up boxing in prison when he was 25 and went on to tremendous success in the golden age of boxing. Shavers took it up in his early 20's, Foreman when he was 18 at a work camp, hell, even Deontay didn't get involved in boxing till he was 19. Outside athletic accomplishments are nice, but there are people who are just born to do a certain sport. From Larry Bird to Gretzky to Brady, you have guys who just "got it" at their chosen sport, but probably wouldn't have been able to transfer it to others. That's how I see the fight game. There are some guys who just have a ridiculous knack for fighting and have all the intangibles that can't be accounted for in a quantifiable athletic performance test.

Again, I do agree with you that elite athetes in sports like basketball and football, if they took up MMA instead when they were younger, would have a definite leg up on your average Joe, I'm just saying in the end I don't think the game would look much different than it does right now, which is pretty much how it's looked since the dawn of the new millenium.

Decade probably wasnt a great example

But if we look at early UFC compared to now, I think we can agree we see a better calibre of athlete.

I think Jon Jones representing a quantum leap above his competitors could be a slight indication of the potential disparity

 

[ermac88]

Forrest has always said this type of stuff, but I don't hear anyone else jumping on that train.

For the record, did you actually see those Detroit Pistons doing pad work? They were punching like uncoordinated girls! Maybe that could be worked out with A LOT of training, but that's a whole lotta gangly to overcome!

Most fighters and commentators say and know this. Ive seen similar interviews with Frank Mir, Cormier, Schaub, Rogan

and the point is, if they pursued fighting INSTEAD of their multimillion dollar sports

 

[Khaiser]

Fair points till the end.

A decade ago the champs were, off the top of my head, Cain, Machida, Anderson, GSP, Penn, and Aldo. There were just as many collegiate athletes in MMA then as there are now, primarily from wrestling but also football and basketball just like today. Are you saying that every one of those champs were not A level athletes? If so, why?

The fact that Rich Franklin was as successful as he was in MMA while being an ex-math teacher does not speak volumes about the lack of athleticism in MMA back in the day; it speaks to the tremendous natural talent he had for fighting. For the record, it's always been that way when it comes to fighting, especially at the heavier weights. Ron Lyle took up boxing in prison when he was 25 and went on to tremendous success in the golden age of boxing. Shavers took it up in his early 20's, Foreman when he was 18 at a work camp, hell, even Deontay didn't get involved in boxing till he was 19. Outside athletic accomplishments are nice, but there are people who are just born to do a certain sport. From Larry Bird to Gretzky to Brady, you have guys who just "got it" at their chosen sport, but probably wouldn't have been able to transfer it to others. That's how I see the fight game. There are some guys who just have a ridiculous knack for fighting and have all the intangibles that can't be accounted for in a quantifiable athletic performance test.

Again, I do agree with you that elite athetes in sports like basketball and football, if they took up MMA instead when they were younger, would have a definite leg up on your average Joe, I'm just saying in the end I don't think the game would look much different than it does right now, which is pretty much how it's looked since the dawn of the new millenium.

The mistake a lot of people make is confusing ‘athletic ability’ (which in itself
is so difficult to measure) with fighting ability.

There are guys walking the streets of any major city in the world who would knock Lebron James’ teeth through his skull, yet he could out jump them, out run them, out bench them etc.

 

[ermac88]

Great. Now we’ve finally established they don’t go where the money goes.

Ready for lesson 1.1 son? Why do you think they stay in insular, domestically focused sports?

In the US thats where the money is (education too)

and again 4/6 UFC champions are from the US

 

[Khaiser]

Most fighters and commentators say and know this. Ive seen similar interviews with Frank Mir, Cormier, Schaub, Rogan

and the point is, if they pursued fighting INSTEAD of their multimillion dollar sports

So you’ve seen interviews with a handful of American fighters, you mean?

You’re utterly brainwashed, lad.

 

[ermac88]

So you’ve seen interviews with a handful of American fighters, you mean?

You’re utterly brainwashed, lad.

4/6 UFC champions are from the US

 

[Riot Punch]

By any logic the country that produces the most Olympic golds per capita is the most efficient at producing Olympic golds, you utter spastic <45>

I already buried you dummy. Now you’re replying to posts that you already replied to. Keep it going you little turtle dove.<Lmaoo>

 

[Khaiser]

In the US thats where the money is (education too)

and again 4/6 UFC champions are from the US

Meanwhile, in the rest of the world, sports are global. If an American athlete was good enough to get to the top of real football, and they were purely drawn to the money, that’s exactly where they would go. In fact by your own logic that’s exactly where they should go. They would make a shit tonne more cash and have much higher global recognition and star power.

 

[Khaiser]

I already buried you dummy. Now you’re replying to posts that you already replied to. Keep it going you little turtle dove.<Lmaoo>

I think you’ll find I cucked you son, well and truly.

Bring your mrs/sister up to the UK and I’ll show her what A-level athleticism is all about