If NFL is A level athleticism

ermac88 said:
There is no formula to my knowledge.
Youll get a quick sense though if you go to any local boxing or combat sports gym where the disparity is drawn
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So you can potentialy have so much skill that you will trump any athletecism? Or a good combination of both? And if you can't have so much skill how do you know where the skill cap goes? And just because you are a good athlete does it mean you can also acquire all skills necessary to be good?
 
Takamine86 said:
The whole dunk thing is really about the measure of an athletes vertical leap which is a measure of their explosive power output. Vertical leap/jumping/plyometrics isn't something only basketball players practice, it is something that is practiced and trained by a wide variety sports world, including Soccer, Rugby and MMA. That is how athletes work on their explosiveness.






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It isn’t a very good measure of vertical leap - there’s a significant amount of skill involved.

You would be better of looking at someone’s ability to head a football.....or just jump.
 
Khaiser said:
Scant denial of you fucking your sister though.....


I’m mixed race and beautiful, so no worries there.
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Ahh I don’t have a sister so good one buddeh.

Just because your dad is a sheep shagger doesn’t mean you’re mixed.
 
Takamine86 said:
The whole dunk thing is really about the measure of an athletes vertical leap which is a measure of their explosive power output. Vertical leap/jumping/plyometrics isn't something only basketball players practice, it is something that is practiced and trained by a wide variety sports world, including Soccer, Rugby and MMA. That is how athletes work on their explosiveness.






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Let this dude train a couple of months at Jackson's and he will be the greatest mma fighter in a couple of months...
 
Khaiser said:
No information to draw upon <45>

True, if you ignore one being the best pound for pound fighter on the planet, and the other having never fought, then there would be little available info for you to use.
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Your not grasping the other vital half of the very basic formula

I have never seen Arthur (his brother) fight. Only know his HS wrestling achievements

So I would defer to their words
 
KeyboardFighter said:
So you can potentialy have so much skill that you will trump any athletecism? Or a good combination of both? And if you can't have so much skill how do you know where the skill cap goes? And just because you are a good athlete does it mean you can also acquire all skills necessary to be good?
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People train martial arts so they can defeat people with less skill.

If you really want answers to these questions, I strongly encourage you to go a local gym if you have one. Youll find out very quickly how strength, speed, co-ordination, agility and power play a role in fighting
 
This guy really said that a dunk which is essentially a test of vertical leap is a poor barometer of athleticism. lmao. What on earth is this guy smoking?
 
Khaiser said:
It isn’t a very good measure of vertical leap - there’s a significant amount of skill involved.

You would be better of looking at someone’s ability to head a football.....or just jump.
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Dunking is just a display of the athletes ability. You can see an athlete jumping when they dunk. Much like the watching a soccer player dribble the ball down field. You can see their speed even if that was never their intent.
 
Takamine86 said:
Dunking is just a display of the athletes ability. You can see an athlete jumping when they dunk. Much like the watching a soccer player dribble the ball down field. You can see their speed even if that was never their intent.
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Yeh, but dunking takes much more than a straight vertical jump. It takes basketball ability.

There’s a reason that in all the videos you posted none of the athletes are using dunking as an assessment of their vertical leap. Why would they when the my can simply get a much better idea of their vertical leap by simply....leaping vertically?
 
ermac88 said:
People train martial arts so they can defeat people with less skill.

If you really want answers to these questions, I strongly encourage you to go a local gym if you have one. Youll find out very quickly how strength, speed, co-ordination, agility and power play a role in fighting
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I have trained MMA. With a former UFC fighter actually. And of course athleticism is essential in MMA. But it's not so easily separated from skill and measured. You say people with the same skill, then athleticism trumps. And ofcourse thats right but thats a tautology and a self evident statement. How do you even begin measure that?
 
Doctor Grudge said:
This guy really said that a dunk which is essentially a test of vertical leap is a poor barometer of athleticism. lmao. What on earth is this guy smoking?
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A vertical leap is a test of your vertical leap. Why on earth would you need some sort of proxy for jumping vertically? <45>

Dunking a basketball is a test of your ability to dunk a basketball, retard.
 
KeyboardFighter said:
I have trained MMA. With a former UFC fighter actually. And of course athleticism is essential in MMA. But it's not so easily separated from skill and measured. You say people with the same skill, then athleticism trumps. And ofcourse thats right but thats a tautology and a self evident statement. How do you even begin measure that?
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Different sports have different means of measuring atheticism ie. speeed, twitch responce, strength
MMA is starting to incorporate those metric in training (as far as Ive seen from vidoes on line)

Its not binary (like a video game) as you put it.
But among two men, the guy who is stronger, faster, more agile, more co-ordinated has a likely chance of beating a weaker, unco-ordinated, slower individual with the same skill or training.
 
ermac88 said:
Different sports have different means of measuring atheticism ie. speeed, twitch responce, strength
MMA is starting to incorporate those metric in training (as far as Ive seen from vidoes on line)

Its not binary (like a video game) as you put it.
But among two men, the guy who is stronger, faster, more agile, more co-ordinated has a likely chance of beating a weaker, unco-ordinated, slower individual with the same skill or training.
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Now you are basicly agreeing with us that different sport has different form of measuring athleticism? Good.

And you are repeating the tautology of same skill than athleticism trumps. I also agree but it's a non statement and doesn't say anything meaningfull.
 
KeyboardFighter said:
Now you are basicly agreeing with us that different sport has different form of measuring athleticism? Good.

And you are repeating the tautology of same skill than athleticism trumps. I also agree but it's a non statement and doesn't say anything meaningfull.
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No I said they have different means (tools) to measure athletic attributes (speed. strength, co-ordination, agility, twitch responce) and MMA is incorporating some of those elements from what ive seen from videos online
 
Khaiser said:
Yeh, but dunking takes much more than a straight vertical jump. It takes basketball ability.

There’s a reason that in all the videos you posted none of the athletes are using dunking as an assessment of their vertical leap. Why would they when the my can simply get a much better idea of their vertical leap by simply....leaping vertically?
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Only thing dunking requires is the ability to hold a basketball and a vertical to reach the rim. In other words, what the basketball player is doing when he jumps is much harder. He has to be wary about defenders, he has to control the basketball, and he has to jump and slam the ball through the hoop. So the basketball player is jumping and doing extra, which would be more difficult than a standard vertical leap.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
 
ermac88 said:
No I said they have different means (tools) to measure athletic attributes (speed. strength, co-ordination, agility, twitch responce) and MMA is incorporating some of those elements from what ive seen from videos online
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That's what I said ffs. But this is besides the point. You seem to put all emphasize on athletecism and when the type of athletes come in from Basketball and NFL a guy with the skill of Marcelo Garcia will never overcome the athleticism of those guys? It's your view?
 
KeyboardFighter said:


Let this dude train a couple of months at Jackson's and he will be the greatest mma fighter in a couple of months...
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It is recorded that Stefan Holm only has a 24 inch vertical. That is not very explosive



Honestly though, look into plyometrics for athletes. From Football, Basketball, Weightlifting, Tennis, Gymanstics, Wrestling, MMA, Rugby, etc. Jump training is how athletes measure and excel in their explosive power output. That is why GSP's double was so explosive.
 
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