If NFL is A level athleticism

[Riot Punch]

Did you hurt yourself trying to smell your own farts?

The US dominates the olympics because of its diversity not because of the population size. Relax buttbreath!

 

[Khaiser]

Did you hurt yourself trying to smell your own farts?

The US dominates the olympics because of its diversity not because of the population size. Relax buttbreath!

Actually I hurt myself playing rugby. But awesome insult lad, you know how to cut deep

You win the most gold medals because you’re a sporting, first world nation with a large population size. You produce fewer gold medals on a per capita basis than other nations because you’re not as good at producing them. Simple as that really.

 

[Riot Punch]

Actually I hurt myself playing rugby. But awesome insult lad, you know how to cut deep

You win the most gold medals because you’re a sporting, FIRST world nation with a large population size. You produce fewer gold medals on a per capita basis than other nations because you’re not as good at producing them. Simple as that really.

You got one part right! Hope you feel better soon little buddy!

 

[Khaiser]

You got one part right! Hope you feel better soon little buddy!

Congratulations on being first world <45>

 

[george14]

I don't understand why people think because a fringe NFL player like Schaub or Mitrione had success at MMA, that means better NFL players would be better in MMA. That logic makes no sense.

How is that any difference than saying Mike Vick should be a better QB than Tom Brady because he is more "athletic". Who gives a fuck about "athleticism"? There is so much more that goes into excelling at a sport.

 

[ermac88]

I don't understand why people think because a fringe NFL player like Schaub or Mitrione had success at MMA, that means better NFL players would be better in MMA. That logic makes no sense.

How is that any difference than saying Mike Vick should be a better QB than Tom Brady because he is more "athletic". Who gives a fuck about "athleticism"? There is so much more that goes into excelling at a sport.

Its because thats not what people are saying

People are saying that elite calibre athletes go to sports like the NFL not MMA
ie Jon Jones brothers.

If that calibre of athlete went into MMA, it would be a different ball game

 

[Riot Punch]

Congratulations on being first world <45>

First place... oh wait, by your awesome logic Grenada and the Bahamas destroyed everyone in the last summer olympics.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

I don't understand why people think because a fringe NFL player like Schaub or Mitrione had success at MMA, that means better NFL players would be better in MMA. That logic makes no sense.

How is that any difference than saying Mike Vick should be a better QB than Tom Brady because he is more "athletic". Who gives a fuck about "athleticism"? There is so much more that goes into excelling at a sport.

I couldn't agree more. The actual raw athletic gap between elite football players and decent college players is really not that great, at least in most cases. The elite football players are elite because they get the mental side of their respective sport. In short, they're just specifically better at football. The idea that someone would become a world champ in combat sports because they are really good at a completely different sport doesn't compute for me.

 

[ermac88]

It’s been apparent that the discussion is happening at different levels for some time, lad, believe me <45>

I’m from the UK. I’m fairly confident that we beat you in terms of producing Olympic gold medal athletes on a per capita basis quite comfortably, as do about a dozen other European nations.

I dont live in the US.
Absolutely; you dont understand ratios nor basic athleticism

Now you are desperately clinging to a notion of per capita which, is sublimely obtuse within the context of total "talent pool".

As I said, I cant articulate it in a way easier for you to comprehend

So take it from a UFC CHAMPION and future HOF

 

[ermac88]

I couldn't agree more. The actual raw athletic gap between elite football players and decent college players is really not that great, at least in most cases. The elite football players are elite because they get the mental side of their respective sport. In short, they're just specifically better at football. The idea that someone would become a world champ in combat sports because they are really good at a completely different sport doesn't compute for me.

Thats not accurate
1% of collegiate players make it into the NFL, the gap is that great

 

[ermac88]

First place... oh wait, by your awesome logic Grenada and the Bahamas destroyed everyone in the last summer olympics.

This
Its a red herring, dude is confused.
It has nothing to do with talent pool for mma which is the actual discussion

By his backwards, bizarre logic the Bahamas has the greatest talent pool of athletes on Earth

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

Its because thats not what people are saying

People are saying that elite calibre athletes go to sports like the NFL not MMA
ie Jon Jones brothers.

If that calibre of athlete went into MMA, it would be a different ball game

Would it though? Would a guy like Lebron be a better fighter than say, Walt Harris? If so, why? I'm not saying having NFL and NBA athletes pick up MMA young wouldn't raise the bar some, especially given the absolutely terrible state of HW MMA now, but I don't see it as being as cut and dried as you make it sound. For starters, MMA really is not for everyone, or even most normal people. Those athletes that pursue it might find they simply do not like the grind and toll it takes on... everything, really. The ones that make it through years of training would have a leg up in certain areas compared to the fat Polskas they fish out of Eastern Europe for random Fight Night cards, but I don't know that the game would look all that different in the end.

Just my take.

 

[KeyboardFighter]

Its because thats not what people are saying

People are saying that elite calibre athletes go to sports like the NFL not MMA
ie Jon Jones brothers.

If that calibre of athlete went into MMA, it would be a different ball game

Yeah no shit sherlock. What would you think would happen if we funneled all the potential soccer players of the world into MMA? The flaw in your thinking is that you assume for sure there haven't ever been a world class A level athlete in MMA. There is no reason why for example GSP, Anderson or Fedor wouldn't be in that category. I mean they train for MMA so their athleticism is going to be tailored for that so they will look and be different than NFL players. Jon Jones can't dunk for example but he doesn't need to be able to but I bet he could if he trained for it.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

Thats not accurate
1% of collegiate players make it into the NFL, the gap is that great

What I'm saying is that is more attributable to football IQ, behaviour off the field, and a proper mental framework to encourage success than raw athletic superiority. To a certain extent, especially for offensive lineman, an ability to pack on ridiculous mass is a major asset, but I don't know if you'd classify that as athleticism per se. Just being given a shot makes a huge difference too. In my eyes, the 1% that make the pros do so more because of a mental edge than a physical one (at least one that would make a measurable difference for the fighting sports anyways).

I understand your point and I can see the logic on the face of it, but I just don't think it's that simple. Also, every single champion in MMA right now is the definition of an elite athlete.

 

[Khaiser]

First place... oh wait, by your awesome logic Grenada and the Bahamas destroyed everyone in the last summer olympics.

You don’t actually know what ‘first world’ means, do you? <45>

 

[ermac88]

Would it though? Would a guy like Lebron be a better fighter than say, Walt Harris? If so, why? I'm not saying having NFL and NBA athletes pick up MMA young wouldn't raise the bar some, especially given the absolutely terrible state of HW MMA now, but I don't see it as being as cut and dried as you make it sound. For starters, MMA really is not for everyone, or even most normal people. Those athletes that pursue it might find they simply do not like the grind and toll it takes on... everything, really. The ones that make it through years of training would have a leg up in certain areas compared to the fat Polskas they fish out of Eastern Europe for random Fight Night cards, but I don't know that the game would look all that different in the end.

Just my take.

Its really simple
better athlete with skill > inferior athlete with skill

In the US, good athletes will go into higher paying sports.

Would LeBron be a great fighter? Who knows; but if he focused on fighting instead of Basketball in his youth, there is a higher probability he would better than an inferior athletes.

This is why in MMA we have more collgiate athletes today than we did a decade ago when we had math teachers and bus drivers as champions

 

[ermac88]

Yeah no shit sherlock. What would you think would happen if we funneled all the potential soccer players of the world into MMA? The flaw in your thinking is that you assume for sure there haven't ever been a world class A level athlete in MMA. There is no reason why for example GSP, Anderson or Fedor wouldn't be in that category. I mean they train for MMA so their athleticism is going to be tailored for that so they will look and be different than NFL players. Jon Jones can't dunk for example but he doesn't need to be able to but I bet he could if he trained for it.

Your drawing conclusions and inferring things I never said.

My poisition is- superior athlete w skill > inferior athlete w skill

In the US, better athletes go where the pay is.

 

[Khaiser]

Yeah no shit sherlock. What would you think would happen if we funneled all the potential soccer players of the world into MMA? The flaw in your thinking is that you assume for sure there haven't ever been a world class A level athlete in MMA. There is no reason why for example GSP, Anderson or Fedor wouldn't be in that category. I mean they train for MMA so their athleticism is going to be tailored for that so they will look and be different than NFL players. Jon Jones can't dunk for example but he doesn't need to be able to but I bet he could if he trained for it.

The ‘dunk’ thing is one of the most ridiculous suggestions ever.

It’s a minute skill within a very rigid ball sport, and people here seem to hold it up as a barometer of athletic ability.

An overhead kick in football is more impressive from a pure athletic standpoint - a nobody with a brain cell would hold it up as some sort of barometer of athletic ability across a range of athletes specialising in different areas.

Lebron James sure as hell cant perform and overhead kick. By the NFL fanboy reasoning that would call into question his athletic credentials. For the rest of the world, the only question they would have would be, “why are you expecting a basket baller to perform a football skill?”

 

[Riot Punch]

You don’t actually know what ‘first world’ means, do you? <45>

Uhhh your comprehension in general sucks.

 

[KeyboardFighter]

Its really simple
better athlete with skill > inferior athlete with skill

In the US, good athletes will go into higher paying sports.

Would LeBron be a great fighter? Who knows; but if he focused on fighting instead of Basketball in his youth, there is a higher probability he would better than an inferior athletes.

This is why in MMA we have more collgiate athletes today than we did a decade ago when we had math teachers and bus drivers as champions

Ah this makes sense, you think the world in Video game terms. Where every ability is measurable. And everything is categorized and you can easily compare them one against another. Athlete one has some skill vs athlete 2 who has the exact same skill but he is 10 % more athletic. Athlete 2 wins every time!