If NFL is A level athleticism

[kflo]

Jon is the runt. He is the smallest and he is the weakest of the family. Maybe go look up what "runt" means.

He’s big and he’s the best fighter in the family. Not what you’d typically call a runt. It’s like calling the smallest watt brother the runt when they are still giant.

 

[Takamine86]

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Such a little bitch.

It might be a brilliant post, I simply don’t care enough to read it.

Hypocritical much?

Remember, when you resort to name calling, it is usually a sign you've lost the debate. Again.

Good day to you sir, i respond to any future post later, taking off.

 

[Khaiser]

Hypocritical much?

Remember, when you resort to name calling, it is usually a sign you've lost the debate. Again.

Good day to you sir, i respond to any future post later, taking off.

Nothing hypocritical about what I said. If you have questions for me, I’ll happily answer them, just don’t hide them in amongst a wall of text.

My point - the ability to dunk is a poor measure of vertical leap (or more general athletic ability) for an individual lacking experience in basketball.

My question - do you believe Arthur Jones would win a fight against Jon Jones?

You see how easy that is, lad?

 

[Fabio Miranda]

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[Khaiser]

The ‘runt’ tag is hilarious <45>

Surely any sane individual would rather be 6 foot 4 with an impressive physique than 6 foot 3 and morbidly obese.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

Jon is the runt. He is the smallest and he is the weakest of the family. Maybe go look up what "runt" means.

Smallest sure, but I'd disagree that he is the weakest at this point in time, or at least when he was in full juice mode and powerlifting during one of his suspensions. Jon was a late bloomer compared to his bros. He hit his athletic stride after his high school days were past, which most certainly happens. He has the ability to pack on mass and still be functional in the fight game, it's just that MMA is such a cardio-heavy sport that that's not the best way to go about doing things.

Any way you wanna look at it, Jon succeeded in a much more demanding sport than Arthur and Chandler and it was due as much to his championship mindset and strategic brilliance as his athleticism. I have seen nothing from Arthur or Chandler to say that they could come close to their bro's accomplishments and if they were to actually fight Jonny right now they would be completely and utterly destroyed in whatever fashion Bones chose to do so. Jones is a better fighter and more complete athlete than both of his brothers in my eyes.

That's the way I see it.

 

[Takamine86]

Smallest sure, but I'd disagree that he is the weakest at this point in time, or at least when he was in full juice mode and powerlifting during one of his suspensions. Jon was a late bloomer compared to his bros. He hit his athletic stride after his high school days were past, which most certainly happens. He has the ability to pack on mass and still be functional in the fight game, it's just that MMA is such a cardio-heavy sport that that's not the best way to go about doing things.

Any way you wanna look at it, Jon succeeded in a much more demanding sport than Arthur and Chandler and it was due as much to his championship mindset and strategic brilliance as his athleticism. I have seen nothing from Arthur or Chandler to say that they could come close to their bro's accomplishments and if they were to actually fight Jonny right now they would be completely and utterly destroyed in whatever fashion Bones chose to do so. Jones is a better fighter and more complete athlete than both of his brothers in my eyes.

That's the way I see it.

In no point in time has Jon ever been as strong as either Chandler or Arthur, even when Jon was power lifting. Jon just started power lifting, his brothers have been doing it their whole lives. Squats, cleans, deadlifts, bench press, all part of weight training in Football. They've been doing it for years and both also have wrestling backgrounds, which is why they are so much bigger than him. Jon's frame is similar to his younger brother, only his younger brother is bigger in every regard (height, weight, reach, muscle, strength). & Arthur is stronger than both of them.

As far which sport is more demanding, it is harder to make it into the NFL than it is to make it in the UFC. We have plenty of UFC fighters from Football who have demonstrated that.

OSP (NFL Undrafted college linebacker)
Brock Lesnar (UFC champion/Cut from the NFL invited to NFL Europe)
Mitrione (KO'd Fedor, Undrafted NFL Special teams)
Schaub (KO'd Crocop, Undrafted cut from NFL practice squad),
Reyes (Undefeated #1 UFC LHW contender/NFL undrafted).

Now how many UFC fighters can you tell me are competing in the NFL? MMA is a sport where a football college safety like Reyes who doesn't get drafted into the NFL can train a couple of years and become the UFC #1 LHW contender and beat guys with far more years of experience than him. Now go tell a UFC fighter to start training for the NFL for a couple years, he will never even make it into the sport.

Now in terms of Jon's championship mindset and brilliance, no disagreements here. He is an incredible fighter. But in terms of their accomplishments for their individual sports, Jon is more accomplished in his sport than his brothers are at theirs. Jon is in the GOAT conversation with GSP, Fedor and Anderson. Depending on who you believe is the GOAT. Arthur and Chandler are not in the GOAT conversations for their positions although Chandler is one of the best outside Linebackers in the NFL and 2nd the NFL in sacks. But it is more difficult to become great in the NFL than it is to become great in MMA just like it is more difficult to get into the NFL than it is to get into the UFC. We already have fighters who come from football in the UFC but not the other way around.

Some context to that. The NFL was established in 1920 so the Chandler and Arthur are competing against century of athletes in their sport. MMA however was established in 1980 and UFC1 was in 1993. Jon Jones himself was born in 1987. So Jon was actually born before UFC1 and seven years after MMA was established. The sport of MMA is still in its infancy so Jon and everyone in the GOAT conversations (GSP, Fedor, Anderson) really are not competing against many fighters to begin with. The sport hasn't been around long enough and it is one of the lower paying sports. As great as Jon, Fedor, Anderson and GSP are, I doubt these fighter are the best fighters the sport will have to offer. Well that is what history in sports has shown us anyways, the greats always come later.

 

[Takamine86]

I can be as good as Jimi Hendrix at guitar, technique and skills can be taught. I can be as good at physics as Albert Einstein, knowledge can be taught. etc etc. Do you see the flaw?

If you are talking about intellect, there is only one path to be smarter than Einstein, and that is to actually be more intelligent.

MMA is different. There are multiple factors involved that can help you find success, technique and skill or just one of many. There is also: Fight IQ, Strength, Speed, Size, Power, Conditioning, etc.

Do you see the flaw in your analogy? That is why the more experienced fighter, the more technical fighter, the more skilled fighter doesn't always wins, because there are many factors at play. That is how Mitrione was able to beat Fedor and Schaub was able to beat Cro Cop even though Fedor and Crocop were more experienced, more skilled, and better from a technical standpoint.

 

[Iron Nick]

There are like 5 NFL players every year with faster top speeds than the fastest soccer player in history

Aren't those measurements for the NFL-guys done in specific events for this?
Because the records you're hearing about soccer players are things that happen during games.

Anyways, most soccer players would beat most NFL guys in every distance ranging from 100 metres to 10 kilometres, to a marathon.
Of course a 250 pound guy can't be a good runner over bigger distances though.

 

[Iron Nick]

Put on some pads and a helmet and get on the field you pathetic European pussy troll. Bring your Swedish meatball love muffin fellow shertard KeyboardFighter and with you. You will find out how strong and athletic NFL players are when they slam your keyboard pussy asses six feet into the turf.
NFL players will pick up your pussy ass soccer players and lift them over their heads for 10 reps just for some exercise, then toss them into the goal.
Get on an NBA court and you will find out how strong and athletic NBA players are when they slam dunk your shertard ass into the hoop.

By the way you ignorant fuck! Many NBA players are from all over the planet.
And yes there are NFL and NBA families. Currys for NBA, Bossas for NFL, Jones for NFL, Holidays for NBA. Get a clue you ignorant shertard fuck!

If NFL and NBA players trained European pussy soccer from very young age, they would kick ass and dominate your pussy sport. Lebron James would be knocking that fuckin' soccer ball in from 30 meters away with his prick. Would not even need to kick it.
...If many of the NFL and NBA players trained MMA from very young age they would dominate. But the elite of the NFL and NBA make more money playing the sports they trained from a very young age.
Michael Jordan>>>> Atheletic world class athlete and competitor
Barry Sanders>>>> Atheletic world class athlete and competitor
Lamar Jackson>>>> Athletic world class athlete playing QB
Giannis Antetokounmpo>>>> world class athlete
Jim Brown>>>>kickass Lacrosse player as well as NFL running back legend.
Deion Sanders>>>> world class athlete
Jerry Rice>>>>world class athlete


Boring pussy ass football/soccer. Talk about a snooze fest. Players spend half their time running around the field with their thumbs up their ass. What is there? About two or three shots on goal per game? About the only time it is exciting is when your pathetic fans squish each other into the fence because they are so ignorant and stupid. Duh, what? I didn't know we could not smash thousands of each other against a fence/wall and not be killed or injured. Eliminates many of the stupid future shertard trolls.

They would most certainly not dominate soccer, as soccer requires even more motor skills and way more cardio.
Lionel Messi is the best soccer player ever and while he was super fast in his mid-twenties, he was never a freak-sprinter or muscular type of guy. He's very fast in accelerating and reasonably fast in terms of top speed, but it's almost entirely his motor skills (hand-"foot" coordination), reaction time, depth perception and pehnomenal instinctive decision-making that make him that good - his only insane athletic trait is his acceleration and agility probably.
Until there's someone who's as absurdly gifted as him, there could be guys with the speed of Bolt or Bo Jackson and it wouldn't make them anything special.

 

[Iron Nick]

Watch the video again, he clearly states that Art could actually be the best.

Nobody said athleticism = Fighting ability. What I have consistently said was Jon's brother were better athletes and Jon big brother was a better wrestler. I've said that technique and skills can be taught while athleticism cannot and that is the advantage a great athlete has.

I didn't dodge your question, I simply chose not to answer it because you already conceded to me. So there is no point debating you. If you would like to continue debating with me, you can read my post and learn something, maybe even respond to what you disagree with. Then I will gladly respond to back to you and tell you who I think wins between Arthur and Jon. I have to stop talking to you now, this paragraph is getting longer.

Things like hand-eye coordination can't be improved nearly as much as athleticism.
You could be a pro soccer/baseball/basketball player without being the fastest or strongest guy, but you'd never be able to do this without having an extremely good hand-eye coordination to begin with, especially in soccer and baseball.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Aren't those measurements for the NFL-guys done in specific events for this?
Because the records you're hearing about soccer players are things that happen during games.

Anyways, most soccer players would beat most NFL guys in every distance ranging from 100 metres to 10 kilometres, to a marathon.
Of course a 250 pound guy can't be a good runner over bigger distances though.

No they measure top speed in games now too in nfl while carrying the ball and in full pads

 

[Dana's Moonface]

Real A star athlete

Highest earner in sports currently

Also by far the most popular sporting figure in the World

Ronaldo bless

 

[Phi-]

Muricans just cant come to terms that american football is full of fat slobs that couldn't cut it in any serious athletic competition.

I respect the NBA and NHL, but calling NFL players "the best athletes" is a joke. They aren't even close.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

The above guy is an English powerlifter who has ran 10.40 100m as 15 year old and only turned to strength training after injuries



the above are some deadlifts while weighing under 110 kg

Anyone that lifts will know how strong this fella is

Nobody in the NFL could match his squat or deadlift

 

[kflo]

Muricans just cant come to terms that american football is full of fat slobs that couldn't cut it in any serious athletic competition.

I respect the NBA and NHL, but calling NFL players "the best athletes" is a joke. They aren't even close.

that's pretty silly though. there are lots of nfl players that are of course elite athletes. faster, stronger, better leaping......quickness and speed.

 

[Phi-]

that's pretty silly though. there are lots of nfl players that are of course elite athletes. faster, stronger, better leaping......quickness and speed.

NBA or soccer players actually have to run for extended periods of time, which is why you don't see any obese people there. In the NFL you stand or sit around for hours without doing anything.

NFL "athletes" have nothing on MMA fighters in terms of athleticism, I'd even say it's the other way around. Some are excellent at 40yard dashes but thats about it. Since in athletics the shortest sprint distance is more than double those 40yards, that doesn't really mean anything.

 

[kflo]

NBA or soccer players actually have to run for extended periods of time, which is why you don't see any obese people there. In the NFL you stand or sit around for hours without doing anything.

NFL "athletes" have nothing on MMA fighters in terms of athleticism, I'd even say it's the other way around. Some are excellent at 40yard dashes but thats about it. Since in athletics the shortest sprint distance is more than double those 40yards, that doesn't really mean anything.

again, the sport has people bigger, stronger, faster and more explosive jumping ability and coordination than most other sports. it depends on position. and they can be reconditioned for more endurance but they have physical characteristics that other sports mostly can't replicate. and you're aware a football field is more than 40 yards right?

 

[Phi-]

again, the sport has people bigger, stronger, faster and more explosive jumping ability and coordination than most other sports. it depends on position. and they can be reconditioned for more endurance but they have physical characteristics that other sports mostly can't replicate. and you're aware a football field is more than 40 yards right?

NBA has bigger people with more jumping ability, FIFA has faster people with better coordination and both sports have more endurance on top of that. The athletic level of NFL players is somewhere between sumo-wrestlers and adolescents playing tag.

Yeah smartass. Doesn't really matter how big the pitch is when players never have to sprint from one end to the other end. How often do football players reach full sprint velocity?

 

[kflo]

NBA has bigger people with more jumping ability, FIFA has faster people with better coordination and both sports have more endurance on top of that. The athletic level of NFL players is somewhere between sumo-wrestlers and adolescents playing tag.

Yeah smartass. Doesn't really matter how big the pitch is when players never have to sprint from one end to the other end. How often do football players reach full sprint velocity?

fifa does not have "faster" people. the fastest nfl players are unquestionably faster (and faster than nba players as well), and on average the skill position players are much faster overall. receivers, cornerbacks, safety's, running backs and linebackers can all reach full speed. don't act as if soccer players are frequently hitting top speed.