If NFL is A level athleticism

[gspieler]

So in your mind, big and strong=athletic. That's the fallacy here, and we clearly are never going to agree.

Did you not see the part of the post, where it referenced DC running a 4.5 in the 40?

 

[Melas Chasma]

I'm actually going to guess that's it's harder to make an NFL roster and get 4 tackles in the regular season than it is to get 4 UFC wins at HW

Lol. It's funny because it's true.

That has nothing to do with athleticism, though.

 

[jarj]

Yeah though was my original thought until I show Bolt had actually run the 40yr dash @ 4.22. I would have guessed a 4.26+ because he get beat out of the blocks often. But I do stand corrected.

Usain Bolt is well past his prime, and was shown running in tennis shoes (not cleats) and a sweater. He also didn't prep for it. Bolt peaked at nearly 28mph in his WR run, while the fastest NFL players (granted, holding a football) barely break 22mph. That's not even close.

 

[Ares Black]

Hes doing good in the ufc with not much training....

He has been training full time for years.

 

[Khaiser]

Its not like America has the best athletes on the planet or anything. .

Correct.

 

[Khaiser]

Can’t believe some here seriously consider playing American Fatball to be as physically/mentally gruelling as fighting <45><45><45>


I swear most of you have never set foot in a ring or cage.

American Fatball is for bitches. Typically fat bitches.

 

[ermac88]

Correct.

Can’t believe some here seriously consider playing American Fatball to be as physically/mentally gruelling as fighting <45><45><45>


I swear most of you have never set foot in a ring or cage.

American Fatball is for bitches. Typically fat bitches.

Its very hard for individuals who dont play or follow sports to understand the elite athletes that are in the NFL or US pro sports

The US has an elaborate multibillion dollar system to pick kids at a young age to be guaranteed educations and possible careers based off this.

Its no mystery that the best fighter in the world is the runt from an NFL family

And complete nfl washouts can start mma in their 30s and be top ranked fighters

 

[Khaiser]

Its very hard for individuals who dont play or follow sports to understand the elite athletes that are in the NFL or US pro sports

The US has an elaborate multibillion dollar system to pick kids at a young age to be guaranteed educations and possible careers based off this.

Its no mystery that the best fighter in the world is the runt from an NFL family

And complete nfl washouts can start mma in their 30s and be top ranked fighters

<45><45><45>

You’ve never set foot in a ring or cage son.

Stick to playing your game and believing you can throw down.

 

[spinup]

Mitrione beat fedor and derrick lewis, who recently fought DC for the title.

Yeah, every once in a while, a NFL player does something in MMA but that's just as true for real estate agents and firefighters.

 

[brownsmith76]

Yeah, every once in a while, a NFL player does something in MMA but that's just as true for real estate agents and firefighters.

Jon Jones can't even dunk in this video.

You don't even need kicks or a BJJ ground game to be the number one contender in the UFC heavyweight division.

 

[ermac88]

<45><45><45>

You’ve never set foot in a ring or cage son.

Stick to playing your game and believing you can throw down.

Wrong and I understand your complete inability to refute anything I said

 

[ramair455]

Usain Bolt is well past his prime, and was shown running in tennis shoes (not cleats) and a sweater. He also didn't prep for it. Bolt peaked at nearly 28mph in his WR run, while the fastest NFL players (granted, holding a football) barely break 22mph. That's not even close.

Were talking about quickness and the 40yd dash not top speed through 100m

 

[evergreenrider]

"High level" lol

 

[linch]

Hardy has asthma the same way Chael sonnen had one testicle so he needed TRT to level the playing field.

 

[listrahtes]

How did Greg Hardy do so well with lifelong exercise induced asthma?

Asthma doesnt detriment your ability if IT is treated right. In NFl cardio is no important factor so asthma is even less of a factor.

American Football is not A level athletics. Its roided up meat bags who can sprint 100m at best and thats it. The real elite is Decathlon, other Track & Field sports, ...etc.

 

[Viper2]

Asthma can be managed easily with medication and many (like myself) have asthma and never get symptoms and never need medication unless we get sick. I have done all sorts of strength sports in my life and my asthma has never affected it. I've bench pressed 400 pounds (with a pause on the bottom), deadlifted 600 pounds with an Olympic Power Bar, deadlifted 620 pounds with a Gerard Trap Bar, and squatted 560 pounds below parallel. These were all raw lifts and I have been drug-free my entire life. Not to brag, but most people cannot accomplish that drug-free.

I think the main reason NFL fans don't want to give UFC athletes credit is because they secretly feel threatened that their favorite sport (American Football) is less macho and manly (i.e. "alpha") than UFC. Therefore, that makes NFL more "beta" than UFC. Personally, I think the whole "alpha" versus "beta" stuff, that has become popular online, is incredibly stupid and doesn't really apply to humans anyways (its origins have to do with wolves, and even then its validity is very debated).

Another example is Arnold Strongman Classic (ASC) competitors. The average NFL fan would say ASC competitors are just fat and non-athletic, and this is again because they secretly feel threatened by the "alpha-ness" of ASC competitors who are clearly bigger, stronger, and therefore more "alpha" than NFL players.

 

[Mortal Wombat]

NFL players have ZERO athleticism. Pussiest sport in the world. Fat dumbcunt yanks watch it.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Yes, but it also heavily emphasizes raw size and strength due to the pauses in the action, allowing for a totally different cardio footprint and athletic model (ie, there few if any Pacific Islanders in the NBA whereas there are fucktons in the NFL due to their body types and genetics)

The A level genetics that will dominate MMA is when high level NBA-type blacks start getting into it as full natives. who somehow wandered into a bad-neighborhood gym at age 11, are 'saved from the streets due to MMA" and grow to 6'7, 245. When the UFC finally gets a Lebron, it will make Jon Jones look quaint.

You just described your typical combat sports movie plot.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Asthma can be managed easily with medication and many (like myself) have asthma and never get symptoms and never need medication unless we get sick. I have done all sorts of strength sports in my life and my asthma has never affected it. I've bench pressed 400 pounds, deadlifted 600 pounds, and squatted 560 pounds (all raw lifts) while being drug-free my entire life. Not to brag, but most people cannot accomplish that drug-free.

I think the main reason NFL fans don't want to give UFC athletes credit is because they secretly feel threatened that their favorite sport (American Football) is less macho and manly (i.e. "alpha") than UFC. Therefore, that makes NFL more "beta" than UFC. Personally, I think the whole "alpha" versus "beta" stuff, that has become popular online, is incredibly stupid and doesn't really apply to humans anyways (its origins have to do with wolves, and even then its validity is very debated).

Another example is Arnold Strongman Classic (ASC) competitors. The average NFL fan would say ASC competitors are just fat and non-athletic, and this is again because they secretly feel threatened by the "alpha-ness" of ASC competitors who are clearly bigger, stronger, and therefore more "alpha" than NFL players.

Talk about ego problems. Any successful athlete that makes a good living shouldn't feel that way. Any pro sport is "alpha" since it took alot of training and effort to get there.

 

[arcadeperfect]

It’s so funny seeing all you nerds trying to discredit NFL players. In pure athleticism, nothing holds up against the NFL. Also, pretty damn impressive that Hardy had never trained any martial art in his entire life and 2 years later he’s competing at a high level at the highest level of fighting on the planet. Never mind the guys he’s fighting have been wrestling since they got out of the womb. I would love to see a cornerback or a safety come in and just tear it up. It’s only a matter of time.

Here’s another thing to think about: do you know why wrestlers do so well in mma? Let me guess, it’s because wrestling is SOOO important in modern mma? Wrong. Ask anyone who understand wrestling and they’ll tell you the level of wrestling (and grappling in general, barring a few specialists) is fairly low. Nothing you can’t lesrn in a year, probably less. Of course, none of you dorks could execute on these moves in a fight because they require an extremely high degree of athleticism to do effectively against a talented, resisting opponent. And that gets us to our answer. The reason wrestlers dominate is because they’re absolutely fantastic athletes. Sure, their experience with weight cutting and rounds definitely helps. However, the primary reason they dominate is because they’re light years ahead of everyone else WRT athleticism. Their explosiveness, quickness, balance — it’s all on another level...just like football players.

The level of striking to be successful in mma is also low. Fighters who come from a specific discipline or train each discipline separately will always be better than some generalist at a mma gym. Better to learn how to strike or grapple at a high level before tailoring your mma game around that so you always have that ace up your sleeve. Competing in a specific discipline also gives us the athleticism point you made out. Each combat sport with a governing body that encourages competition, has a high talent pool. After competing with high level guys it makes it really easy to beat some generalist.