If Jon Jones was really the GOAT, ONE loss wouldnt matter.

[Ludwig von Mises]

Jones isn't afraid of taking an ass whooping. When people say he's "ducking" they're not saying it like he's afraid of getting his ass kicked.

However Jon is mortified of losing. Out of all the all time greats Jon's legacy is by far the most rotten. It's so rotten that a loss could definitely shift the scales in terms of his true GOAT credibility.

He knows this and thus he only takes fights which he knows he has a much lower chance of losing. His whole identity is hinged on remaining undefeated because it's the only way to justify his GOAT status and the only thing he has that isn't tarnished.

This is how you know his GOAT status is over inflated and force fed. Out of all the all time greats hes only one who proclaims himself as the GOAT and he's the only one who acts like he has nothing left to prove.

For a 6'4 230lbs fighter with 84 reach who's been caught using steroids 3x and who's spent 5 of the last 7 years on the sidelines while ducking guys like Ngannou and Aspinall, he certainly has something to prove.

Does this mean he needs to go on a 10 fight win streak? No. But ducking his biggest challenges isn't a good look for someone who claims he's the GOAT.

If someone is really the GOAT then one loss wouldn't change that. The only way one loss would change that is if their GOAT status was rotten and questionable to begin with.

Sorry fanboys this is the truth.

 

[bongwater]

dear diary

 

[AstralPanda]

Jones would've went down as the goat even if he retired after Reyes.

If he won or lost right now, nothing would really change.

It's clear that after a horde of uninteresting contenders at LHW, the move to HW had one goal in mind, to make money and pursue mega fights.

No different than Ngannou's decision to leave the UFC where he can make double the amount in boxing. No different than GSP's decision to come back and challenge Bisping for the MW title. No different than half a dozen Mayweather fights he supposedly ducked.

Ultimately, it comes down to business.

Jones / Pereira would draw 3x the revenue that Tom would, as he's a double champ in both kickboxing and the ufc, a legend and star in his own right.

Where as Tom has a win over Sergei and Blaydes.

Jones isn't afraid of Tom. Ngannou isn't afraid of Jones. GSP wasn't afraid of Woodley, another bout he supposedly dodged in favor of an easier Bisping.

Mighty mouse said he isn't coming back unless it's a fight that truly gets him excited. At that age, it becomes that much more important to pick the right fights, during a time when you're struggling to train and compete with the same fire you once did.

 

[Shaolin Alan]

Jonny Bones already has a loss and he is still the GOAT
#SillyNEWB

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Jones would've went down as the goat even if he retired after Reyes.

If he won or lost right now, nothing would really change.

It's clear that after a horde of uninteresting contenders at LHW, the move to HW had one goal in mind, to make money and pursue mega fights.

No different than Ngannou's decision to leave the UFC where he can make double the amount in boxing. No different than GSP's decision to come back and challenge Bisping for the MW title. No different than half a dozen Mayweather fights he supposedly ducked.

Ultimately, it comes down to business.

Jones / Pereira would draw 3x the revenue that Tom would, as he's a double champ in both kickboxing and the ufc, a legend and star in his own right.

Where as Tom has a win over Sergei and Blaydes.

Jones isn't afraid of Tom. Ngannou isn't afraid of Jones. GSP wasn't afraid of Woodley, another bout he supposedly dodged in favor of an easier Bisping.

It's business. When you only have one or two fights left, you seek out fights that check all the boxes, especially when you've already fought and beaten the best.

Jones vs Tom wouldn't be huge business? It wouldn't sell out an arena and 1M+ PPVs?

Desperate Jones fanboys:

"The Poatan fight would sell 100k more PPVs!"

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Jonny Bones already has a loss and he is still the GOAT
#SillyNEWB

 

[AstralPanda]

Jones vs Tom wouldn't be huge business? It wouldn't sell out an arena and 1M+ PPVs?

Desperate Jones fanboys:

"The Poatan fight would sell 100k more PPVs!"

Even ngannou said fighting Tom doesn't do anything for Jon's career.

DC said Jones has beaten 3 generations of fighters. He doesn't have fight Tom.

There's no shortage of fighters or analysts who would say exactly what I've said here. It doesn't mean they're fans.

I'd like to see the fight, but ultimately we have to put ourselves in the minds of fighters. This is business and it's prize fighting.

Pereira is a double champ and much bigger draw, been in the main event multiple times, already a legend in his own right. 6.6 million followers on Instagram. Lineal champ vs champ. There's no question this is the biggest fight that can be made.

This isn't something exclusive to Jones.

Ngannou left for bigger payouts with boxing. GSP avoided Woodley and went for the bigger fight/ payday against bisping for the mw title. Floyd made like half a dozen similar decisions throughout his career that were entirely business minded. There's many examples.

I think the Tom fight will happen, but ultimately it comes down to the ufc.

A loss against Jones would hurt Pereira's star power, so even though that's a big fight, it probably isn't in the UFC's best interest long term to make it.

If they want a final Jon Jones fight, it comes down to them to pay the man and they may very well do it.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Even ngannou said fighting Tom doesn't do anything for Jon's career.

DC said Jones has beaten 3 generations of fighters. He doesn't have fight Tom.

There's no shortage of fighters or analysts who would say exactly what I've said here. It doesn't mean they're fans.

I'd like to see the fight, but ultimately we have to put ourselves in the minds of fighters. This is business and it's prize fighting.

Pereira is a double champ and much bigger draw, been in the main event multiple times, already a legend in his own right. 6.6 million followers on Instagram. Lineal champ vs champ. There's no question this is the biggest fight that can be made.

This isn't something exclusive to Jones.

Ngannou left for bigger payouts with boxing. GSP avoided Woodley and went for the bigger fight/ payday against bisping for the mw title. Floyd made like half a dozen similar decisions throughout his career that were entirely business minded. There's many examples.

Ultimately we need to call all of these guys out for ducking, being afraid or none at all. There's no in between.

I think the Tom fight will happen, but ultimately it comes down to the ufc.

A loss against Jones would hurt Pereira's star power, so even though that's a big fight, it probably isn't in the UFC's best interest long term to make it.

If they want a final Jon Jones fight, it comes down to them to pay the man and they may very well do it.

I don't see how Jones vs Tom isn't huge business. Splitting hairs about how much a fight against Poatan is bigger business doesn't make sense to me.

I also disagree with Ngannou about the fight against Tom doing nothing for Jones. A fight against a modern day, next generation, well rounded HW who can finish the fight in many different ways is an incredible challenge for Jones at 37 years old.

If Jon took this challenge and won even his staunchest haters would have to bend the knee and agree that he's the GOAT. Not fighting Tom and pretending it's for business reasons is straight cap to cover up obvious ducking.

 

[Domitian]

Literally anyone who competes in anything understands there's a possibility of losing. Even Jon, and his 30 professional mma bouts.

 

[froggyluv]

Growing up with Ali, Hagler, Frazier, foreman, Holmes, Duran, Leonard, Hearns we didnt care all that much about the now all important "0". Only Rocky Marciano fans would bring that up -we just respected all out fighters

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Literally anyone who competes in anything understands there's a possibility of losing. Even Jon, and his 30 professional mma bouts.

No shit Sherlock. That doesn't mean each fight carries the same risk profile.

 

[Domitian]

No shit Sherlock. That doesn't mean each fight carries the same risk profile.

He's been involved in 17 title fights. You think he's just now realizing there's a chance he could lose a fight? Think for a moment.

 

[blewgums]

One time I took a shit on the third green at the country club.

It was awesome! I felt so free, so alive!

 

[Darragh]

GSP went out with a fake win against Hendricks and that shit show with Bisping, Emelianenko and Anderson certainly had some horrific fights at the end of their careers, Khabib was too one dimensional and quit too early. Even Mighty Mouse had that upset over at ONE. Nobody's perfect. Everyone has something to criticize.

But when it comes to Jon it's different. He just simply doesn't have a legacy, or at least one that's meaningful. I'm not talking about the drunk driving, drug addiction and assaults though God knows that all should be enough on its own.

He got caught with steroids and cocaine in his system on multiple occasions, meaning who knows which fights he was on drugs for as USADA was particularly loose with testing in Jon's heyday. It invalidates his entire career.

It would be like if Ken Jennings got caught cheating on Jeopardy "just a few times" but other that he always knew the answers. No one would accept that and we shouldn't accept it with Jon just because of Dana White's sociopathy and sliding scale morality.

There is no room for debate. He's a nobody and his name is and will always be a non-starter for the GOAT discussion. If you include cheaters, the entire conversation becomes meaningless.

Just ask Joe. You can't knock out Tyrone motherfucking Biggums.

 

[orca]

Jones isn't afraid of taking an ass whooping. When people say he's "ducking" they're not saying it like he's afraid of getting his ass kicked.

However Jon is mortified of losing. Out of all the all time greats Jon's legacy is by far the most rotten. It's so rotten that a loss could definitely shift the scales in terms of his true GOAT credibility.

He knows this and thus he only takes fights which he knows he has a much lower chance of losing. His whole identity is hinged on remaining undefeated because it's the only way to justify his GOAT status and the only thing he has that isn't tarnished.

This is how you know his GOAT status is over inflated and force fed. Out of all the all time greats hes only one who proclaims himself as the GOAT and he's the only one who acts like he has nothing left to prove.

For a 6'4 230lbs fighter with 84 reach who's been caught using steroids 3x and who's spent 5 of the last 7 years on the sidelines while ducking guys like Ngannou and Aspinall, he certainly has something to prove.

Does this mean he needs to go on a 10 fight win streak? No. But ducking his biggest challenges isn't a good look for someone who claims he's the GOAT.

If someone is really the GOAT then one loss wouldn't change that. The only way one loss would change that is if their GOAT status was rotten and questionable to begin with.

Sorry fanboys this is the truth.

well he has the best resume all time
the hardest
not in this lifetime anyone can beat his resume

one loss doesnt change that

 

[Mind Mine]

GSP went out with a fake win against Hendricks and that shit show with Bisping, Emelianenko and Anderson certainly had some horrific fights at the end of their careers, Khabib was too one dimensional and quit too early. Even Mighty Mouse had that upset over at ONE. Nobody's perfect. Everyone has something to criticize.

But when it comes to Jon it's different. He just simply doesn't have a legacy, or at least one that's meaningful. I'm not talking about the drunk driving, drug addiction and assaults though God knows that all should be enough on its own.

He got caught with steroids and cocaine in his system on multiple occasions, meaning who knows which fights he was on drugs for as USADA was particularly loose with testing in Jon's heyday. It invalidates his entire career.

It would be like if Ken Jennings got caught cheating on Jeopardy "just a few times" but other that he always knew the answers. No one would accept that and we shouldn't accept it with Jon just because of Dana White's sociopathy and sliding scale morality.

There is no room for debate. He's a nobody and his name is and will always be a non-starter for the GOAT discussion. If you include cheaters, the entire conversation becomes meaningless.

Just ask Joe. You can't knock out Tyrone motherfucking Biggums.
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This would have had so many likes 5 years ago. Now just a few scattered posters trying to keep hope alive. I would give you a like if I could so you didn’t type all of that for nothing.

 

[Subline]

It's because undefeated records appeal to casuals, who make up a lot of the fanbase. UFC has done a good job at marketing Jones as undefeated and made it a big part of their rationale for Jones being the GOAT.

 

[snaportap21]

GSP went out with a fake win against Hendricks and that shit show with Bisping, Emelianenko and Anderson certainly had some horrific fights at the end of their careers, Khabib was too one dimensional and quit too early. Even Mighty Mouse had that upset over at ONE. Nobody's perfect. Everyone has something to criticize.

But when it comes to Jon it's different. He just simply doesn't have a legacy, or at least one that's meaningful. I'm not talking about the drunk driving, drug addiction and assaults though God knows that all should be enough on its own.

He got caught with steroids and cocaine in his system on multiple occasions, meaning who knows which fights he was on drugs for as USADA was particularly loose with testing in Jon's heyday. It invalidates his entire career.

It would be like if Ken Jennings got caught cheating on Jeopardy "just a few times" but other that he always knew the answers. No one would accept that and we shouldn't accept it with Jon just because of Dana White's sociopathy and sliding scale morality.

There is no room for debate. He's a nobody and his name is and will always be a non-starter for the GOAT discussion. If you include cheaters, the entire conversation becomes meaningless.

Just ask Joe. You can't knock out Tyrone motherfucking Biggums.
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Jon’s peers see him as an all time great to say he has no legacy is just wrong.

 

[Darragh]

This would have had so many likes 5 years ago. Now just a few scattered posters trying to keep hope alive. I would give you a like if I could so you didn’t type all of that for nothing.

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

GSP went out with a fake win against Hendricks and that shit show with Bisping, Emelianenko and Anderson certainly had some horrific fights at the end of their careers, Khabib was too one dimensional and quit too early. Even Mighty Mouse had that upset over at ONE. Nobody's perfect. Everyone has something to criticize.

But when it comes to Jon it's different. He just simply doesn't have a legacy, or at least one that's meaningful. I'm not talking about the drunk driving, drug addiction and assaults though God knows that all should be enough on its own.

He got caught with steroids and cocaine in his system on multiple occasions, meaning who knows which fights he was on drugs for as USADA was particularly loose with testing in Jon's heyday. It invalidates his entire career.

It would be like if Ken Jennings got caught cheating on Jeopardy "just a few times" but other that he always knew the answers. No one would accept that and we shouldn't accept it with Jon just because of Dana White's sociopathy and sliding scale morality.

There is no room for debate. He's a nobody and his name is and will always be a non-starter for the GOAT discussion. If you include cheaters, the entire conversation becomes meaningless.

Just ask Joe. You can't knock out Tyrone motherfucking Biggums.
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Lmao. Get help