If it's not PEDs what else?

[straight6]

yea we totally shouldn't talk about the newest most breaking news item in MMA on a message board about MMA. that would be preposterous.

This!

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

At the end of the day we're just making assumptions based off other people's assumptions with collective research from each other lol. Nothing anyone says should be accepted purely as fact but certainly not dismissed because you're not "qualified".

I agree, but a lot of people seem to be self proclaimed experts and are speaking in absolutes. It's hilarious.

 

[Jin Akutsu]

were "...other things" such as masking agents detected?

it is also worth mentioning that an irms method for determining the 13c/12c values for urinary epitestosterone was developed to provide much needed additional support for the detection of doping with epitestosterone. Epitestosterone has no clinical use and is not available as a pharmaceutical. This compound is prohibited by sport authorities because its administration will lower the urinary t/e ratio, a marker of testosterone administration.

 

[Goh]

I agree, but a lot of people seem to be self proclaimed experts and are speaking in absolutes. It's hilarious.

Haha I see your point.

 

[straight6]

I agree, but a lot of people seem to be self proclaimed experts and are speaking in absolutes. It's hilarious.

Who are the "self proclaimed experts" in this thread? Obviously this thread topic and posts bother you (and we all know why). Again new guy, if you don't like this thread, you DONT have to come in.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Who are the "self proclaimed experts" in this thread? Obviously this thread topic and posts bother you (and we all know why). Again new guy, if you don't like this thread, you DONT have to come in.

The people saying that it can't be anything other than PEDs, and that the body cant produce these ratios naturally.



If you dont like my posts, you DONT have to read them.

 

[xupacabra]

Damn, I had no idea this place had so many endocrinologists. You guys should get together, and use your medical knowledge to find a cure for aids, or cancer.

those interwebz these days. making us all clever and experts on everything ;D

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

those interwebz these days. making us all clever and experts on everything ;D

I watched a youtube video on TRT, basically gave me my PHD.

 

[Shogun Rising]

I agree, but a lot of people seem to be self proclaimed experts and are speaking in absolutes. It's hilarious.

Argue against their claims then with some substance instead of just complaining about conversations no one asked you to take part in.

 

[straight6]

The people saying that it can't be anything other than PEDs, and that the body cant produce these ratios naturally.



If you dont like my posts, you DONT have to read them.

They are not "self proclaimed experts" quit labeling people!

Im not the one derailing this thread you are. Obviously this topic bothers you.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Argue against their claims then with some substance instead of just complaining about conversations no one asked you to take part in.

I have been doing more than complaining, you're just focusing on certain posts. If you dont like my posts, feel free to skip over them.

 

[straight6]

Argue against their claims then with some substance instead of just complaining about conversations no one asked you to take part in.

exactly this. obviously he doesn't get it.

 

[Shogun Rising]

I have been doing more than complaining, you're just focusing on certain posts. If you dont like my posts, feel free to skip over them.

You haven't given a single counterargument in this thread other than pretend others are claiming to be things they aren't.

And I really like your posts. They're so informed and well-written.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

unless he is missing a testicle or has rare/terminal illness...otherwise its PEDs.

A healthy young athlete, CANT be that low "naturally"

Do you have any proof of this? Aside from a random tweet?

 

[Shogun Rising]

exactly this. obviously he doesn't get it.

You'd think he would seeing as how he's probably on his 20th account.

 

[straight6]

You'd think he would seeing as how he's probably on his 20th account.

hahaha im pretty sure that's the case.

 

[xn7]

ask the crickets.

 

[Jin Akutsu]

Do you have any proof of this? Aside from a random tweet?

http://www.bjpenn.com/jones-test-re...mal-hormone-levels-along-cocaine-metabolites/

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/01/anti-d...rone-readings-cir-test-needed-on-jones-sample

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/7...petition-drug-tests-all-show-abnormal-hormone

http://www.subjectmma.com/explained-jon-jones-drug-test-scandal/

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/7...-test-results-from-nevada-athletic-commission

 

[ArtOfDrowning]

Brian Stann mentioned on the rogan podcast that he had heard there may have been mistakes in the collection process and has no idea how that it will hold up legally.

So professionals who do this for living made the same mistake 3 times on 3 separate days spanning over a month? Seems legit.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

http://www.bjpenn.com/jones-test-re...mal-hormone-levels-along-cocaine-metabolites/

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/01/anti-d...rone-readings-cir-test-needed-on-jones-sample

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/7...petition-drug-tests-all-show-abnormal-hormone

http://www.subjectmma.com/explained-jon-jones-drug-test-scandal/

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/7...-test-results-from-nevada-athletic-commission

On that result it says "No prohibited substances, or prohibited methods, or their mteabolites, or markers on the test were dected"


Thats what I was asking, was anything found?