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It really was
If Charles can beat Islam and Gaethe (no easy task) he has done more than Khabib ever did
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Khabib was 25 when he dominated prime RDA who became the champ 11 months later destroying every other contender
even in Charles' prime he couldn't show the same level of skill and dominance as Khabib, he's good but still snatches wins from the jaw of defeat and that's far from being on Khabib's level
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Loses count as well
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Conor, Poirier Gaethe, RDA is his whole career.
GSP easily fought more guys than that.
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Khabib has beat prime RDA back in 2015 who destroyed Cowboy prior to that and won the belt 11 months after that
in the same year Charles lost to Felder tapping to strikes, Khabib drafted #3 Edison Barboza in a title eliminator (a guy who beat Felder, Pettis and Dariush!)
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okay. Charles fought way more dangerous people. Quantity wise.
Do you really believe that if Khabib fought all the guys Charles fought he would still be undefeated?
Never getting caught once?
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Charles didn't get caught, he got beat he gave up he got outgrappled he got his guard destroyed and tapped to gnp to Felder, 28yo Khabib was the best lw out there
you're reaching trying to convince us how Charles was better but he lost because he fought Felder and lamas and way past it FW Pettis
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RDA wasn't 100% going into that fight, not to take too much credit away from Khabib, but that played a factor in their fight.
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That's a terrible MMA Math Jack.
I see now Khabib haters are desperate enough to rely on using a different version of MMA Math.
Yeah both Oliveira and Khabib beat Poirier. But HOW did they beat him?
- Oliveira lost the first round, he got dropped by Poirier and got bloodied, he got brain damage due to Poirier's punches to his head that strong enough to drop him.
- Khabib didn't lose a round. Khabib didn't get any slight damage. He finished Poirier clean.
This is why you Khabib haters are now using a different version of MMA Math, you don't look who they beat on paper, you look how they beat the same opponent.
And Chandler? Oliveira got another brain damage due to Chandler's punches and he nearly got finished, 2 judges even said Chandler 10-8ed Oliveira.
This is how you guys look at things at this point, MMA Math only.
LOL no he didn't lose to Tibau. Anyone with an average MMA knowledge who watches the fight can see Khabib wasn't damaged while Tibau was damaged and was bleeding from his eye and he got controlled over 4 minutes in the fight by Khabib. Tibau had only 17 seconds control time.
Its funny you guys are using MMA math and looking at paper only and not caring how damaged Oliveira was then saying that Khabib lost to Tibau when the official decision is a clean UD not even SD or MD, GSP had SD and MD wins, Khabib doesn't even have a single SD or MD win all UD.
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Too many loses and close storms but he has heart and if he keeps winning then he may be put as one of the best but not the best.
Vast majority of media along every poll ever made had Tibau winning. Its not like its just my personal opinion.
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It kinda depends on how Charles beats them. Khabib pretty much dominated Poirier, whereas Charles was hurt pretty bad against Poirier and came back with a win.
Khabib also pressured and subbed Gaethje in a dominant fashion. IDT anyone expect Khabib to pressure Gaethje the way he did. IDK if Charles can really do it better against Gaethje. Top LW's like Alvarez and Poirier had intense wars against a lessor version of Gaethje.
One fun fact is that when Khabib first came to America, he trained with Charles for a bit.
Khabib also pressured and subbed Gaethje in a dominant fashion. IDT anyone expect Khabib to pressure Gaethje the way he did. IDK if Charles can really do it better against Gaethje. Top LW's like Alvarez and Poirier had intense wars against a lessor version of Gaethje.
One fun fact is that when Khabib first came to America, he trained with Charles for a bit.
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hypothetical-fantasy-mmamath is saying "Khabib would've had 8 losses fighting the fighters Oliveira has lost to" in an obvious reaching to explain why Oliveira's losses don't count
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Khabib haters changing goal posts constantly from the age of a fighter to 'prime' to so and so fought A level UFC fighters for decades to 'he wasn't ready for Felder' which contradicts the previous point, oh and so and so was injured going in to a fight even though Khabib had his worst ever camp for Justin (head coach/father died and still grieving, had to convince his mum to let him fight one more time, hospitalised due to mumps shortening the camp, broken foot and still TERMINATOR'd Justin). It's like watching a clown show, literally just grab your popcorn and laugh ppl.
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Definitely. You can’t ignore the fact that Oliveira has 20 UFC wins and 18 of them are finishes. He holds are the record for most amount of finishes and most amount of submissions. He was already a hall of famer before winning the belt. Beating Ferguson, Chandler, Poirier, Gaethje and Islam would cement his legacy as the greatest LW in UFC history.
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Khabib has a very mediocre strength of schedule. The combined records of his first dozen fights are all atrocious. Do Bronx spent nearly his entire career in the UFC, its a whole different thing.
Then of course you get into Khabib being one of the most inactive ranked lightweights of all time, certainly of his generation. Take his total number of UFC fights and divide it by the number of years he was in the UFC. Dude never fought.
I think TS is accurate in saying Do Bronx would have the most impressive strength of schedule as champion if he beats JG and Islam. I can't see how that would even be up for dispute.
