If Charles can beat Islam and Gaethe (no easy task) he has done more than Khabib ever did

[Mr Fahrenheit]

And that’s a fact Jack.

He has some tough opponents ahead of him.

But two fights to being the greatest LW champion of all time.

I think Chandler-Poirier-Gaethje-Islam would be a bit better than Iaquinta-McGregor-Poirier-Gaethje as far as pure quality of opposition. But Khabib dominated his four fights while Charles has been down in the only two fights he’s actually had yet. Charles has also had his ass kicked a bunch of times, so he certainly won’t be the greatest lightweight of all time, but he’d be up there in terms of greatest reign, depending if he wins and how he does it.

 

[MartinGibson86]

how many fighters went 13 - 0 in UFC while being undefeated

1


He was also fighting winless fighters after Charles was fighting title contenders.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

how many fighters went 13 - 0 in UFC while being undefeated

U.S. military wasn’t that dominant in WWII, they only fought a handful of opponents and then ducked the USSR.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

1


He was also fighting winless fighters after Charles was fighting title contenders.

So you think what saved Khabib’s 0 was not having to face Jim Miller and Paul Felder

 

[Mike]

Lol at all these people talking strength of schedule like losses don't matter. 8 losses versus 0.

Eight losses versus zero.

No, Oliveira is NOT close to surpassing khabib. I'm not even a khabib fan, but come the fuck on. Part of what distinguishes guys when it comes to goat contention is win rate. There's a reason almost every fighter in goat contention has few losses, or at the very least few losses in their prime. How the fuck is Oliveira going to surpass a guy that's undefeated by getting a couple more wins, when he's had 8 losses in his prime.

No, just no.

 

[Pious Augustus]

1


He was also fighting winless fighters after Charles was fighting title contenders.

Khabib fought and beat barboza in a title eliminator when Charles was tapping to strikes to Felder 2017

 

[Moro]

I think he beat Tibau, but was a close fight.

He faced enough good guys to show the level. Poirier, Conor, Gaethje, RDA, Barboza had basically no chance in those fights. If they don't have the next 2 likely won't as well. The dominance.

Beating Conor is nothing special, it's just a pad on his record is all, a crushed can, but I agree with the rest.

 

[DestinedAussie]

Khabib has no losses because he didn’t fight many good people until he got the title.

And he arguably lost to Tibau.

I agree, while a win is a win, Khabib has very few elite wins. It feels like LW Conor (who appears to be pretty average at LW) is second or third best win. That isn't great when you compare to other goat contenders who have a laundry list of great wins.

 

[MartinGibson86]

So you think what saved Khabib’s 0 was not having to face Jim Miller and Paul Felder

Miller at that stage of his career?


Yes quite possibly

 

[do a moniker]

I didn't mean that as a negative lol, Khabib fans are so defensive man, I'm just saying Justin did better than people realize

lol ok fair fair. Yea. We are sensitive cuz we get told nonstop that khabib isn’t worthy. I’m man enough to admit I’m a tad sensitive on that. I see you weren’t khabib hating and just calling it like you see it which is totally fair. I mean Justin technically won that round right? Although any mma fan knew that he broke Justin mentally and physically in that round. But he did land some ridiculous shots but khabib was not phased. Poker phase or animal. Tomato tomatoe right?

 

[fortheo]

Miller at that stage of his career?


Yes quite possibly

Prime Jim Miller vs. a green Khabib who hadn't started training in the US yet?

Give me Jim miller.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

lol ok fair fair. Yea. We are sensitive cuz we get told nonstop that khabib isn’t worthy. I’m man enough to admit I’m a tad sensitive on that. I see you weren’t khabib hating and just calling it like you see it which is totally fair. I mean Justin technically won that round right? Although any mma fan knew that he broke Justin mentally and physically in that round. But he did land some ridiculous shots but khabib was not phased. Poker phase or animal. Tomato tomatoe right?

Yeah exactly, I criticize Khabib sometimes, but only because I'm comparing him to the other GOATs of the sport. I feel like that's where most people are coming from, you would have to be delusional to not think Khabib is an all time great.

 

[kuroro]

In your mind that would exceed never getting bloodied, cut, or knocked down and only losing 2 rounds in 13 UFC fights?

Charles has lost as many rounds in his last 5 round as Khabib did his entire decade long UFC career.

Just GTFO. Seriously, GTFO.

nobody in their right mind is counting rounds, jack ass.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Prime Jim Miller vs. a green Khabib who hadn't't started training in the US yet?

Give me Jim miller.

That's what I'm thinking. He was 7-1 in the ufc and on a 5 fight win streak.


That's throwin a kid to the wolves.

 

[MCS]

Anderson had some losses too, if you don't have a dad or a coach from the start who perfectly builds you up it's gonna be next to impossible to have zero losses.

I hate when people say this because it encourages the mentality people have in Boxing where they don't take any risks.

If you go 29-0 against all comers your career is close to Fedor's. Oliveira has been stopped 7 times. He was a non-contender for most of his career.

What can be compared is Charles' 10-fight streak to Khabib's 29. The competition was better. But that would mean you ignore the 7 times he's been finished. And you can't do that.

The difference to me is Khabib wasn't really close to losing. And faced enough top guys to see the difficulty. It's not been that difficult to beat Charles.

 

[MCS]

Besides, the level of competition argument doesn't work here. Khabib also faced top guys. I believe 6 ranked ones. Dominated all of them. So he'd be heavily favored against the next one by oddsmakers.

Charles wasn't before and isn't now. It's not only because he's been stopped 7 times, but because he gets nearly finished in recent wins. Khabib got briefly stunned against one of the 6 ranked guys he faced.

So the level of competition isn't enough to surpass the dominance. That's the difference.

 

[Strijfy]

Oliveira has aldready done far more than Khabib did.

Hey Unfinished...er Murderkick_HC... no surprise coming from you
Hes done way more than Conor too...ie defended a title...

 

[old school 2]

Charles lost 7 times and Khabib never lost, deal with it.

 

[Dirty Frank]

Khabib has no losses because he didn’t fight many good people until he got the title.

And he arguably lost to Tibau.

Khabib has no losses because he's dominant as fuck. Period.

And no, there's no "arguing" the Tibau fight. No amount of parroting and sheep talk can change the record books. Unanimous decision win and your tears aren't washing that away

 

[Goosemen]

Charles doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. Weird people keep trying to prop him up to be something he's not. He's a johnny come lately.