Idris Elba rumored to be next Bond

The problem is most creators in Hollywood these days seem to be either hacks or chickenshits. They want to make more diverse stories but they're far too cowardly to create original works with diverse characters (they won't invest in something even slightly risky), or they lack the skill to make these new stories good. This leads to a bunch of subpar reboots with diversity shoved in, both as a means of pushing an agenda and also as a shield against criticism. This crap got old for me a while ago. Make stuff of quality or go fuck yourself for all I care.
I agree. I’m for diversity. I think it’s insulting to not give black or Asian or whatever actors their own parts. It’s like Hollywood is saying they can’t carry their own film if it isn’t an established property. Elba could obviously play a smooth bad ass assassin. Write a movie for him. For the record, I’d love to see a 00 franchise. Run multiple characters working for MI6. Black, women, Asian, go nuts. Keep the stories connected (like Marvel). There’s so much potential.
 
You guys are still arguing over this lol? Who cares what color Bond is? Elba is a bad ass actor. That's all anyone should care about
 
Forgetting that he is black....Idris doesn’t look the part. First off he is 46 but looks 56. He has rough features, not classically handsome. He is also heavy looking. The source material based Bond on Hogan Carmichael, an American singer. Narrow face, long skinny nose and dark hair. Think Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton. I am a huge fan of Idris and am watching Luther now. He just isn’t James Bond. Take the snowflake crap out of it...no one looks at the guy and thinks James Bond. Plenty of white actors that would be a poor choice as well. I don’t think Superman would be a great choice either...In Mission Impossible he looked HUGE.
That’s because Tom Cruise is 4’11”
 
Forgetting that he is black....Idris doesn’t look the part. First off he is 46 but looks 56. He has rough features, not classically handsome. He is also heavy looking. The source material based Bond on Hogan Carmichael, an American singer. Narrow face, long skinny nose and dark hair. Think Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton. I am a huge fan of Idris and am watching Luther now. He just isn’t James Bond. Take the snowflake crap out of it...no one looks at the guy and thinks James Bond. Plenty of white actors that would be a poor choice as well. I don’t think Superman would be a great choice either...In Mission Impossible he looked HUGE.
Well that is a pretty narrow opinion based on what is it out there and even in this thread. You are absolutely entitled to it, it's just few seem to agree. Other than complexion issues with a small few no one is saying he does not look the part for an older bond if they want to portray the character later in his career. I also think your view on him not being classically handsome and looking old for his age would see you in a group of just yourself. The media and hype around him has always suggested the opposite.
 
Insults are immature but here's some more. Followed by criticism of one incidental typo in a long post I made on my phone. Such intellectual debate.

Our meaning people on my side of the debate. That's not incredibly obvious.... somehow? Ok. And I have poor reading comprehension. Alright.

I didn't ignore the point you made. I just pointed out it's a purely emotional point disguised as a logical one, and the logic doesn't make a lot of sense. We didn't see anywhere near this kind of backlash when it was business as usual with Hollywood whitewashing nearly every ethnic role.

They're not going to just create an entirely new Ip every single time out. They're going to adapt existing franchises as often as possible because they have enormous investment in those properties. Again, really obvious. Don't know why that even has to be clarified, it's so obvious.

As far as caring if white people want a white bond. No, I don't really care. But if you're going to use logically inconsistent arguments people are going to point it out. It's not a new SJW thing, it's not some attack on Bond or whites. It's business as usual. If you guys would admit that and stop using all these other weak reasons why it's wrong or inauthentic this conversation would have been over awhile ago. Hollywood doesn't give a shit about those things and never has.

There you go again with the you guys. What point did I make that's purely emotional? What factual evidence did you provide about anything?

If you don't care about this kind of thing because it's business as usual then you shouldn't have complained about whitewashing. It seemed to bother you.
 
There you go again with the you guys. What point did I make that's purely emotional? What factual evidence did you provide about anything?

If you don't care about this kind of thing because it's business as usual then you shouldn't have complained about whitewashing. It seemed to bother you.
The entire point, yet again, is the people complaining about this seem to have the mentality this is some new thing, when this is how Hollywood has always worked. We saw very few complaints when ethnic roles were whitewashed, yet suddenly they even consider changing a white character and people get upset.

We provided example after example of Hollywood's history of whitewashing. That would be the evidence. Maybe go read through some of the thread.
 
The entire point, yet again, is the people complaining about this seem to have the mentality this is some new thing, when this is how Hollywood has always worked. We saw very few complaints when ethnic roles were whitewashed, yet suddenly they even consider changing a white character and people get upset.

We provided example after example of Hollywood's history of whitewashing. That would be the evidence. Maybe go read through some of the thread.
You're assuming a lot about the people complaining about this and their reasons. I'm not talking about people anyway, just my views which you responded to. Address me personally.

What does it matter if it has always worked that way? People have valid reasons to complain, and we saw huge complaints about whitewashing recently. When did people not complain about whitewashing? Do you have proof that they didn't?
I recall a huge stink about Scarlet in Ghost in the Shell and I agreed with their points, I just didn't care as much. There's now a stink about this and I agree, though I don't care as much. You seem to care about one and not the other. I'm more consistent in my views so you ignore that and lump me in with your opposition to suit your argument.

You keep bringing up whitewashing as if I give a shit. It's the same thing as "black washing" or whatever you want to call it. If you support one and not the other then you're a hypocrite.
 
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Well that is a pretty narrow opinion based on what is it out there and even in this thread. You are absolutely entitled to it, it's just few seem to agree. Other than complexion issues with a small few no one is saying he does not look the part for an older bond if they want to portray the character later in his career.

Narrow how? I’m his age and he looks way older than I do. Google image him, his beard is grey and his hair is thinning lol. That’s not an opinion that’s fact. I watch him almost ev[/QU
Well that is a pretty narrow opinion based on what is it out there and even in this thread. You are absolutely entitled to it, it's just few seem to agree. Other than complexion issues with a small few no one is saying he does not look the part for an older bond if they want to portray the character later in his career. I also think your view on him not being classically handsome and looking old for his age would see you in a group of just yourself. The media and hype around him has always suggested the opposite.

I’m an Idris fan and a huge Bond fan. How is my opinion that he is old narrow? I watch him nightly, the dude is greying and hair is thinning and face looks old. Critics hated when Moore got old and When Connery came back in the 80s because he was too old for the role. Handsome yes. But Bond is supposed to have chiseled features, Idris has a heavy look. That’s just not how I see Bond, not how he was written either.
But from what I read they are changing his character traits to be more PC anyway so this won’t even really be Bond anymore so I guess his looks are irrelevant.
 
I’m an Idris fan and a huge Bond fan. How is my opinion that he is old narrow? I watch him nightly, the dude is greying and hair is thinning and face looks old. Critics hated when Moore got old and When Connery came back in the 80s because he was too old for the role. Handsome yes. But Bond is supposed to have chiseled features, Idris has a heavy look. That’s just not how I see Bond, not how he was written either.
But from what I read they are changing his character traits to be more PC anyway so this won’t even really be Bond anymore so I guess his looks are irrelevant.

I think we need body positivity Bond. Idris is way too fit. How are normal people supposed to relate? I'm thinking something along the lines of maybe Mark Addy. Or Rebel Wilson. Or that maester guy from Game of Thrones.
 
Agreed. I think Bond should be a feminist as well. His mysoginistic behavior simply won't cut it in 2018.
 
I think we need body positivity Bond. Idris is way too fit. How are normal people supposed to relate? I'm thinking something along the lines of maybe Mark Addy. Or Rebel Wilson. Or that maester guy from Game of Thrones.

I want a gay bond
A fat woman blonde
Black woman bond
And a chubby bond. Seth rogan for example
 
Well that is a pretty narrow opinion based on what is it out there and even in this thread. You are absolutely entitled to it, it's just few seem to agree. Other than complexion issues with a small few no one is saying he does not look the part for an older bond if they want to portray the character later in his career. I also think your view on him not being classically handsome and looking old for his age would see you in a group of just yourself. The media and hype around him has always suggested the opposite.
It's funny that you always say that other people's opinion is what they think and not what many other people think but your opinion is always what the general public thinks.
 
Backtrack now as you will. Bond does not have to be as you define him. He has changed and will continue to change almost certainly if the Bond mythology goes on another 60 years. If Idris was 15 years younger he would almost certainly get the role now. A future 'Idris' will get the Bond role. Let that sink in and stew in your triggered tears while crying out "Noooo, he is not white!'
You're a fuckin moron. Even after having explained my point of view many, many times you are acting like an ignorant asshole because you are out of arguments. There is no point in repeating myself.

I've noticed that you are posting in a lot of movie threads about white washing. And you aren't really interested in other peoples views but yours.

I am 100% sure you are an ethnic minority and that is why you are so butthurt and have to give your 2 cents in all these movie threads.
 
Again, funny hearing that from the ones who are clearly emotional over this topic (we won't stand for this.... WAAAA).

Project much?

You're not the smartest guy are you?

edit: Lol it also appears the two biggest butt hurt wankers in this thread both have usernames Mike. Think I might ignore anything ever posted from a Mike in future.
 
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You're not the smartest guy are you?

edit: Lol it also appears the two biggest butt hurt wankers in this thread both have usernames Mike. Think I might ignore anything ever posted from a Mike in future.
nah, the biggest "wanker" itt is you. Still crying about reverence to Ian Fleming's books like they're the bible.
 
I’m an Idris fan and a huge Bond fan. How is my opinion that he is old narrow? I watch him nightly, the dude is greying and hair is thinning and face looks old. Critics hated when Moore got old and When Connery came back in the 80s because he was too old for the role. Handsome yes. But Bond is supposed to have chiseled features, Idris has a heavy look. That’s just not how I see Bond, not how he was written either.
But from what I read they are changing his character traits to be more PC anyway so this won’t even really be Bond anymore so I guess his looks are irrelevant.
They can do an older Bond just as they did an older Wolverine. The character is not immune to aging. He's been around going on 60 years, he is going to age.
 
You guys are still arguing over this lol? Who cares what color Bond is? Elba is a bad ass actor. That's all anyone should care about

So you're cool with Tom hardy as the next shaka Zulu or kunta kinte?
 
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