Ido talking about not training with vegans

[froggyluv]

Clearly Ido never ran into the street gang The Soy Cannibals -them guys are crazy...light on their feet too

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

Ironic that your entire basis is based on feelings and anecdotal nonsense.

To be fair to him Miley Cyrus was having issues with brain fog....I've yet to see as strong an arguement made in favour of veganism lol

 

[GOATtalks]

Yes, they are hard core raw vegans.

I found between plant based and light fasting my energy level is good. One just has to just try it, to find out, how it affects them. I trust in what my body tells me or I will listen to what others tell me. All I know is that when I do it I get great results for energy level.

I also found, from what others have told me, that they get bad results from plant based diet. Many stories about long, mid, and short term problems with the plant diet. Especially the long term diet problems.

I like to follow how I feel and play with it. See what works and does not work. But, Science is there for a reason too. I guess it all depends who or what you trust. But, I recommend following how your body feels first.

If you start getting tired, upset, or just not the same as when you first started your diet when you felt good maybe the affect was more of a fasting feel. I would make sure your levels of energy stay in the right spot because I hear so many times people starting off good then falling off the cliff like they wanted to hold on then finally let go. Just tweak it here and there so you can maintain something that works for you.

Diaz brothers aren’t vegans. They are pescatarian, which is one of the best diets you can have.



Fasting is a great thing for your body, veganism isn’t. If you do it for moral and environmental reasons, I respect that, but it’s still bad for your body in long term.

 

[The UFC Brander Collector]

Diaz brothers aren’t vegans. They are pescatarian, which is one of the best diets you can have.



Fasting is a great thing for your body, veganism isn’t. If you do it for moral and environmental reasons, I respect that, but it’s still bad for your body in long term.

I am no expert but leaning to pescatarian moslty

 

[Sad Dad]

nothing atrocious about killing animals, we are only here because our ancestors weren't all a bunch of vegans. I've killed dozens of chickens and I felt nothing much like they didn't feel anything when they ate insects

That’s retarded. I’m a meat eater but animals feel and are sentient individuals. Farming should be ethical are you should always be grateful to the lives lost to nourish you, just like our ancestors were.

 

[rakeleaves]

The digestive issues with veganism comes from lack of B vitamins and animal fat, you cant really get the B 12 and B vitamins thatn help your intestines and bowels.

All you have to do is take a b12 supplement once a week and you are good; or, duckweed is a plant source of b12. All other B vitamins are easily found in a plant based diet. If anything, you will have better bowel movements because of your increased fiber intake.

 

[rakeleaves]

Yes, they are hard core raw vegans.

I found between plant based and light fasting my energy level is good. One just has to just try it, to find out, how it affects them. I trust in what my body tells me or I will listen to what others tell me. All I know is that when I do it I get great results for energy level.

I also found, from what others have told me, that they get bad results from plant based diet. Many stories about long, mid, and short term problems with the plant diet. Especially the long term diet problems.

I like to follow how I feel and play with it. See what works and does not work. But, Science is there for a reason too. I guess it all depends who or what you trust. But, I recommend following how your body feels first.

If you start getting tired, upset, or just not the same as when you first started your diet when you felt good maybe the affect was more of a fasting feel. I would make sure your levels of energy stay in the right spot because I hear so many times people starting off good then falling off the cliff like they wanted to hold on then finally let go. Just tweak it here and there so you can maintain something that works for you.

Nah Diaz bros aren't really Vegan - they always eat fish.

 

[Jose Beehive]

I have no idea why you are continuing to entertain this guys childish arguments about how you should be castrating lions to prevent massacres in the wild and donating to african children. You have the patience of a saint to continue giving thought out, rational, polite answers!
It's really weird how some people make being anti vegan part of their personality and something they feel the need to argue with. Why do people care so much if you dont eat meat? Is it going back to the brain dead 'eating meat makes you tough and a real man' bollocks that the meat industry has advertised for years?

For me I totally get people in remote areas hunting their dinner, that makes complete sense to me and seems like not a bad way for an animal to go. If you live in an urban area with plenty of access to shops and your eating mass farmed meat from animals raised in appalling conditions you should really have a think about what you are doing.

Thanks for the kind words! Appreciate that... I guess I deem it a positive cause, If one person learns something new then i'm happy(Myself included!)..

Plant the seeds lol

Wasn't too long ago I was throwing dip shit arguments about, and all it took was for me to feel squashed in arguments to convert. I truly believe it's the right thing, and I don't believe in much.
Absolutely advertisements, propaganda, cultural nonsense etc etc, it's a huge business they don't want you to stop eating animal products.

For me it's all about necessity, If I needed meat like still many people on the planet do in remote areas, then I would consume it. But I don't and neither do most people, I don't want to live a life where Animals are for me anymore and some people don't have that choice, it's truly liberating.

 

[Iron Nick]

Fasting is a great thing for your body, veganism isn’t. If you do it for moral and environmental reasons, I respect that, but it’s still bad for your body in long term.

With all due respect, but a proper vegan diet is extremely healthy.

I'll put what some institutes of nutrition have to say about the topic into the following spoiler.

Spoiler

Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (USA):
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements."

Dietitians of Canada:
"[...] Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. [...]"

National Health and Medical Research Council of Australia (NHMRC):
"Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthy and nutritionally adequate. [...]"

Agree with you about fasting by the way!

 

[Iron Nick]

To be fair to him Miley Cyrus was having issues with brain fog...

That is true and it was the result of a severe omega-3 fatty acid deficiency - but she was wrong when she attributed that to the vegan diet, because you can absolutely get these nutrients from vegan foods.

As a vegan, i must say it's pretty shitty that she (probably unintentionally) implied things that aren't true about that diet just because of her ignorance in terms of nutritional needs, because since she's so popular, it led to a lot of people saying that being vegan inevitably leads to deficiencies, which of course isn't true.

 

[Black Paladin]

He right though

Tell me 10 athletes amongst millions of vegan athletes that look and perform like the pinnacle omnivores do

With that said, hespekt to vegans who don't shove it down others throats, and does it for humane/personal reasons

I have stated a similar thing for years. Think about people who depend on their bodies. Look at people who have millions of dollars on the line (pro athletes), very high honor and lucrative sponsorships on the line (Olympic and national team amateur athletes), or elite military (special forces, etc.) who have their lives, their teammates lives, and their missions on the line.

Is the percentage of vegans/vegetarians high or low? Just answer the question.

 

[Black Paladin]

That being said, it is important to eat a BALANCED diet. The problem is many simple-minded meateaters don't put enough vegetables and grains through their systems.

 

[Swarthy]

My diet over the past year is
No Sugar, More greens, Less salt, lower amount of red meat, more fish and white meat, Intermediate fasting and portion control (smaller meals.) I have never felt as healthy and strong as I currently do. I’ll be 42 next month and besides when I was 16-22 training boxing n Judo fulltime I have never been in better shape.

 

[Swarthy]

That being said, it is important to eat a BALANCED diet. The problem is many simple-minded meateaters don't put enough vegetables and grains through their systems.

Yup I agree with this 100% I was one of them.

 

[markys00]

They are the best and most morally okay source of nutrition, they don't have nervous systems and haven't been proven to feel pain, this is also backed by the fact they haven't evolved to defend from pain.. But if you are going to go down that route, then more plants are "murdered" to feed Animals in factory farming than humans anyway.

What question? I agree animals in the wild suffering and being torn apart is a bad thing, how to solve this? fuck knows condoms?

What? There are plenty of plants that evolved to not be consumed/feel pain etc. Is this a joke?

 

[spinup]

What? There are plenty of plants that evolved to not be consumed/feel pain etc. Is this a joke?

No that's non sense. Plants can't feel pain (and neither can most invertebrate) , they have at best some chemical pathways to signal stress or damage.
Some plants evolved defense to avoid being eaten, some evolved specifically so part of them are eaten.

 

[Jose Beehive]

What? There are plenty of plants that evolved to not be consumed/feel pain etc. Is this a joke?

Sorry I should have elaborated, of course plant defense exist.. chemically and hormonally they have indeed adapted, however it is seemingly still a hypothesised phenomenon that still doesn't indicate a brain or nervous system, or justify eating animals, more so just a reaction.. fascinating field though! Interested to learn more.

 

[Frode Falch]

Gonna keep posting this. Even shaolin monks dont like the idea of vegans.

 

[TidWell]

All you have to do is take a b12 supplement once a week and you are good; or, duckweed is a plant source of b12. All other B vitamins are easily found in a plant based diet. If anything, you will have better bowel movements because of your increased fiber intake.

I heard b12 supplements are not very absorb you need a injection.

 

[Swarthy]

I heard b12 supplements are not very absorb you need a injection.

I don’t need meat...... takes supplements that derive from meat.... what a bunch of morons.