Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[avenue94]

Derr, civics, derr....

Is that your go to, when you're wrong? So lame.

You got son'd, bruh. You're the one not understanding what you're talking about, which is why you lightened your stance and not so cleverly changed your language. LOL.

Why don't you quote where I wasn't accurate then, should be easy.

 

[HereticBD]

Why don't you quote where I wasn't accurate then, should be easy.

I don't have to. You did it yourself. Why did you change your language from "Due Process" to "Unusual Process"?

Because you were wrong, and just couldn't admit it.

 

[avenue94]

I don't have to. You did it yourself. Why did you change your language from "Due Process" to "Unusual Process"?

Because you were wrong, and just couldn't admit it.

He did not receive due process when he was deported to CECOT and had his constitutional rights violated. He is currently receiving due process in his current court case, but the proceedings are also quite unusual.

Not hard to understand.

 

[HereticBD]

He is currently receiving due process in his current court case, but the proceedings are also quite unusual.

Not hard to understand.

No, he's just getting "Due Process". You need to label it "unusual", because you simply just can't admit that everything is above board. You're trying to muddy the waters, because you've run out of rope on this silly argument.

Anyways, continue to scramble.

 

[avenue94]

No, he's just getting "Due Process". You need to label it "unusual", because you simply just can't admit that everything is above board. You're trying to muddy the waters, because you've run out of rope on this silly argument.

Anyways, continue to scramble.

When's the last time you saw the federal government refuse to deport someone to a country they said was fine for deportation all because the federal government wanted a guilty plea in a case they filed?

 

[HereticBD]

When's the last time you saw the federal government refuse to deport someone to a country they said was fine for deportation all because the federal government wanted a guilty plea in a case they filed?

What does it matter? You argued that it's not "due process". Now you're arguing that it's "unusual process", because you were wrong.

Run your tired ass game of deflecting away from your wrongness somewhere else.

 

[avenue94]

What does it matter? You argued that it's not "due process". Now you're arguing that it's "unusual process", because you were wrong.

Run your tired ass game of deflecting away from your wrongness somewhere else.

No, I argued that his prior treatment was a violation of due process. Do they not teach you in Canada how to recognize the past tense?

Where does someone who's civil rights were flagrantly violated get off vigorously defending themselves with the due processed the Constitution affirms residents are entitled to? The constitution, duh.

And again, his case would be much weaker if the government hadn't proven its duplicity and lack of regard for due process and civil rights by deporting him to CECOT in the first place.

They ignored this little thing called the 14th Amendment. There are multiple court rulings on this, your ignorance of the Constitution is a you problem. Read a book or something.

And my question matters because if this kind of government action isn't unusual, then you should be easily able to name incidents where DOJ and DHS conducted themselves in a recent matter. Instead, you're suddenly going quiet because you realized you don't know what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to American history or governance.

 

[HereticBD]

No, I argued that his prior treatment was a violation of due process. Do they not teach you in Canada how to recognize the past tense?



And my question matters because if this kind of government action isn't unusual, then you should be easily able to name incidents where DOJ and DHS conducted themselves in a recent matter. Instead, you're suddenly going quiet because you realized you don't know what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to American history or governance.

 

[avenue94]

Oh look, tucking tail and suddenly not so talkative when someone asks you for receipts.

Maybe one day you'll finally learn the difference between present and past tense.

 

[HereticBD]

Oh look, tucking tail and suddenly not so talkative when someone asks you for receipts.

Maybe one day you'll finally learn the difference between present and past tense.

LOL, anyone can read the exchange between you and the guy who son'd you, and see how wormy you're being with your language.

Keep crying over the illegal alien wife beater, though. It's a real good look.

 

[avenue94]

LOL, anyone can read the exchange between you and the guy who son'd you, and see how wormy you're being with your language.

Keep crying over the illegal alien wife beater, though. It's a real good look.

Ok, using the past tense and present tense is now being wormy. You're 10 ply.

And I support due process because it benefits me. I'm selfish like that.

I'm sorry you don't read and write so good and it frustrates you, maybe your papa can help you when he gets home.

 

[Hog-train]

You don't think the 5th incorporates equal protection?

He already did get equal protection. The same protection that the literal millions of other people who got deported via expedited removal did.

And yes, he has at time not received due process, which is separate from other due process issues I raised more broadly.

And what is that exact due process did he not receive? Be specific.

 

[avenue94]

He already did get equal protection. The same protection that the literal millions of other people who got deported via expedited removal did.

Again, not sure how you think being illegally deported to CECOT to be tortured doesn't violate equal protection. Unless you're so far gone you're arguing that the government would be in its rights to deport any and all citizens or residents to another country to be tortured.

And what is that exact due process did he not receive? Be specific.

He was not given sufficient opportunity to contest his removal to El Salvador, which was already illegal. You seem to have never read the ruling in Noem v Garcia...

As I mentioned earlier, it's quite short and you should read it for yourself so you stop asking silly questions like "how is illegally deporting someone to be tortured a violation of due process or equal protection"

 

[Hog-train]

Again, not sure how you think being illegally deported to CECOT to be tortured doesn't violate equal protection. Unless you're so far gone you're arguing that the government would be in its rights to deport any and all citizens or residents to another country to be tortured.

The only reason it was illegal to send Abrego Garcia to CECOT was due to having a withholding order for El Salvador. That was a mistake.

But have zero problem with sending normal deportees to El Salvador when their home countries won't accept them - especially because most of them did indeed have criminal histories or gang affiliations.

He was not given sufficient opportunity to contest his removal to El Salvador, which was already illegal. You seem to have never read the ruling in Noem v Garcia...

As I mentioned earlier, it's quite short and you should read it for yourself so you stop asking silly questions like "how is illegally deporting someone to be tortured a violation of due process or equal protection"

That's why it's called expedited removal. You have limited chances to contest it. And I support that law. The fucking guy already had two judges and years worth of due process already BTW.

We do not have the resources nor time to spend years and years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to deport every single illegal. There are literally millions of them.

 

[avenue94]

The only reason it was illegal to send Abrego Garcia to CECOT was due to having a withholding order for El Salvador. That was a mistake.

Amazing tautology there. "The only reason it's illegal to do ___ is because there's a court ruling that doing ___ is illegal." Is it AI that rotted your civics knowledge or you've always been like this?

That's why it's called expedited removal. You have limited chances to contest it. And I support that law. The fucking guy already had two judges and years worth of due process already BTW.

We do not have the resources nor time to spend years and years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to deport every single illegal. There are literally millions of them.

Expedited removal still requires due process and a chance to contest the removal, which is what the Supreme Court ruled when it deemed the deportation to El Salvador illegal. Again, have you not read their ruling?

Let me make this very simple: The US put a man on the moon and built a nuke faster than anyone else ever has. We're the richest country in history pretty much, and balancing due process and removing illegal immigrants is primarily a money problem. We have the money, so spend it if removing illegal immigrants is such a priority.

Eroding due process like we already have in this case is disastrous for a democracy, no matter your inability to peer beyond your partisan own myopia.

As I've pointed out to you several times (and you always tuck tail because you can't defend you position), your position on free speech for pro-Palestinian residents is completely at odds with your position here. Either due process exists and applies to everyone (cough cough equal protection clause), or it doesn't exist at all because an exception for one means an exception for anyone else.

 

[Hog-train]

Amazing tautology there. "The only reason it's illegal to do ___ is because there's a court ruling that doing ___ is illegal." Is it AI that rotted your civics knowledge or you've always been like this?

Yea as I said. That was a mistake. Other than that, IDGAF. Remove the withholding and send him there again. Or to Uganda. Don't care. He's a wife beating illegal alien MS-13 member. Fuck him and GTFO.

Expedited removal still requires due process and a chance to contest the removal, which is what the Supreme Court ruled when it deemed the deportation to El Salvador illegal. Again, have you not read their ruling?

The ruling did not say the deportation was illegal. It said they must facilitate his return because they made an administrative error. And they did do that.

Let me make this very simple: The US put a man on the moon and built a nuke faster than anyone else ever has. We're the richest country in history pretty much, and balancing due process and removing illegal immigrants is primarily a money problem. We have the money, so spend it if removing illegal immigrants is such a priority.

You want us to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars (or even millions in this case) and 10-15 years to deport every single illegal? LMAO GTFO.

There are some estimates of there being 30 million illegals in this country. At the very least, it is 15 because there were 11 million before Biden. That's like trillions of dollars dude.

If we take all the courts costs, detention and apprehension per illegal, that is at least 500K per person. That's fucking 5,500,000,000,000 dollars if we go by the low end number of 11 million illegals. LMAO what you are suggesting is retarded.

We have a massive homeless problem as well as a housing shortage and you want to literally spend that. WTF

Eroding due process like we already have in this case is disastrous for a democracy, no matter your inability to peer beyond your partisan own myopia.

Expedited removal is not eroding due process. It is due process for immigration.

As I've pointed out to you several times (and you always tuck tail because you can't defend you position), your position on free speech for pro-Palestinian residents is completely at odds with your position here. Either due process exists and applies to everyone (cough cough equal protection clause), or it doesn't exist at all because an exception for one means an exception for anyone else.

How am I tucking tail? I'm literally responding to every point you make. Stop making shit up and self declaring yourself the "winner."

And no my position on pro-Palestinian residents does not contradict because those people are legal RESIDENTS. They have a right to be here and a right to free speech.

Deporting ILLEGAL people using expedited removal is completely different. Stop trying to conflate two different things.

 

[avenue94]

Yea as I said. That was a mistake. Other than that, IDGAF. Remove the withholding and send him there again. Or to Uganda. Don't care. He's a wife beating illegal alien MS-13 member. Fuck him and GTFO.

If it's a mistake, the administration was and continues to be free to argue for that status to be changed in court. Until then, it stands. That's how laws and judicial rulings work.

The ruling did not say the deportation was illegal. It said they must facilitate his return because they made an administrative error. And they did do that.

Why are you so insistent on making an ass of yourself by repeatedly stressing that you didn't read the ruling.

First paragraph of the ruling: "The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal."

Additionally: "The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador"

You want us to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars (or even millions in this case) and 10-15 years to deport every single illegal? LMAO GTFO.

There are some estimates of there being 30 million illegals in this country. At the very least, it is 15 because there were 11 million before Biden. That's like trillions of dollars dude.

If we take all the courts costs, detention and apprehension per illegal, that is at least 500K per person. That's fucking 5,500,000,000,000 dollars if we go by the low end number of 11 million illegals. LMAO what you are suggesting is retarded.

We have a massive homeless problem as well as a housing shortage and you want to literally spend that. WTF

It can be done much faster than that. Most immigrants don't have the same issue as this case and can be sent back to their country of origin. Hire more lawyers and judges, it's that simple.

And odd you're complaining about housing even though deportations drive up the cost of housing (hint: illegal labor subsidizes construction costs heavily).

Lol at your goal of deporting 11 million illegal immigrants. You might as well wish for the moon to be made of cheese.

Expedited removal is not eroding due process. It is due process for immigration.

And again, expedited removal was not what caused a due process violation. What caused it was the government botching a simple deportation and then doubling and tripling down.

How am I tucking tail? I'm literally responding to every point you make. Stop making shit up and self declaring yourself the "winner."

And no my position on pro-Palestinian residents does not contradict because those people are legal RESIDENTS. They have a right to be here and a right to free speech.

Deporting ILLEGAL people using expedited removal is completely different. Stop trying to conflate two different things.

So residents have a right to free speech but not to due process? Make it make sense.

Again, I never argued expedited removal is inherently violation of due process. It still requires due process asnd adequate notice. I know you didn't read AARP v Trump, but come on, at least be familiar wtih that ruling.

 

[DoctorTaco]

So glad we deployed the national guard to DC. This is what 1,000,000 a day in tax dollars gets you

 

[oldshadow]

So glad we deployed the national guard to DC. This is what 1,000,000 a day in tax dollars gets you

So they are keeping them busy when not needed for other things.

 

[avenue94]

So they are keeping them busy when not needed for other things.

I thought you Trumpers were all about efficiency and cutting waste, but here we are paying the national guard to do janitorial work.